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Should we apply the same standards to the obese? Arguably a greater strain on our health care system.

reanimus 5y ago
I don't know, is there a free two-shot regimen to help deal with obesity? Also, last time I checked, hospitals weren't running out of ICU beds thanks to obesity.
- pcmoney 5y ago
  Its even easier. Just dont eat too much.
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  - reanimus 5y ago
    You clearly don't know much about obesity or simply don't care. Either way, if you're truly invested in the public health implications/strategies for obesity, you're welcome to look into it. :)
    - pcmoney 5y ago
      So its more complicated than: maintain caloric equilibrium? Or are you about to make a bunch of Socio-economic and cultural justifications for obesity that you will not extend to the unvaccinated?
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- nradov 5y ago
  I encourage everyone eligible to protect themselves by getting vaccinated, but hospitals literally are running out of beds thanks to obesity. https://www.wfae.org/health/2021-09-30/novant-says-9-of-10-children-in-covid-icus-are-overweight-but-public-health-officials-rarely-talk-about-obesity https://www.wfae.org/health/2021-09-30/novant-says-9-of-10-c...
  - reanimus 5y ago
    > hospitals literally are running out of beds thanks to obesity. ... as a co-morbidity of COVID. Clearly the most effective option for people who are obese (and other people at elevated risk) is to get vaccinated.
jjeaff 5y ago
If avoiding obesity was as easy as a $20 needle prick with minimal side effects... absolutely. Without question, I would require that vaccine for everyone that didn't have a valid medical reason not to.
- pcmoney 5y ago
  It is even easier, just dont eat too much. Also free.
  - jjeaff 5y ago
    If you think that is easier than a needle prick, then you have zero understanding of obesity.
    - pcmoney 5y ago
      Again, Is it more complicated than: maintain caloric equilibrium? Or are you about to make a bunch of Socio-economic and cultural justifications for obesity that you will not extend to the unvaccinated?
      - drdeca 5y ago
        There's also a difference between difficulty and complexity. edit : Also, what's the protocol/norm about posting the same reply in multiple threads? I can see some pros and cons to it being within standard behavior, and don't see a clear answer as to which is larger
      - genewitch 5y ago
        Yes it is more complicated. Here's two reasons. Glucose only gets converted to fat and harmful proteins at about 1:4 rate, whereas ethanol, fructose, and sucrose get converted to fat and harmful proteins at double or more that rate. So mere "counting calories" is meaningless. Secondly, and this is the one that people find weird, once you've weighed X pounds, and lost some significant mass, you must eat less calories than simple "calories in is calories out" would suggest, because our physiology reacts as if food is scarce, and will store fat to the detriment of all other functions.

I don't know, is there a free two-shot regimen to help deal with obesity? Also, last time I checked, hospitals weren't running out of ICU beds thanks to obesity.

pcmoney 5y ago
Its even easier. Just dont eat too much.
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- reanimus 5y ago
  You clearly don't know much about obesity or simply don't care. Either way, if you're truly invested in the public health implications/strategies for obesity, you're welcome to look into it. :)
  - pcmoney 5y ago
    So its more complicated than: maintain caloric equilibrium? Or are you about to make a bunch of Socio-economic and cultural justifications for obesity that you will not extend to the unvaccinated?
    - deleted 5y ago
      [deleted]
nradov 5y ago
I encourage everyone eligible to protect themselves by getting vaccinated, but hospitals literally are running out of beds thanks to obesity. https://www.wfae.org/health/2021-09-30/novant-says-9-of-10-children-in-covid-icus-are-overweight-but-public-health-officials-rarely-talk-about-obesity https://www.wfae.org/health/2021-09-30/novant-says-9-of-10-c...
- reanimus 5y ago
  > hospitals literally are running out of beds thanks to obesity. ... as a co-morbidity of COVID. Clearly the most effective option for people who are obese (and other people at elevated risk) is to get vaccinated.

jjeaff 5y ago

If avoiding obesity was as easy as a $20 needle prick with minimal side effects... absolutely. Without question, I would require that vaccine for everyone that didn't have a valid medical reason not to.

pcmoney 5y ago
It is even easier, just dont eat too much. Also free.
- jjeaff 5y ago
  If you think that is easier than a needle prick, then you have zero understanding of obesity.
  - pcmoney 5y ago
    Again, Is it more complicated than: maintain caloric equilibrium? Or are you about to make a bunch of Socio-economic and cultural justifications for obesity that you will not extend to the unvaccinated?
    - drdeca 5y ago
      There's also a difference between difficulty and complexity. edit : Also, what's the protocol/norm about posting the same reply in multiple threads? I can see some pros and cons to it being within standard behavior, and don't see a clear answer as to which is larger
    - genewitch 5y ago
      Yes it is more complicated. Here's two reasons. Glucose only gets converted to fat and harmful proteins at about 1:4 rate, whereas ethanol, fructose, and sucrose get converted to fat and harmful proteins at double or more that rate. So mere "counting calories" is meaningless. Secondly, and this is the one that people find weird, once you've weighed X pounds, and lost some significant mass, you must eat less calories than simple "calories in is calories out" would suggest, because our physiology reacts as if food is scarce, and will store fat to the detriment of all other functions.