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Sure and that slows GDP growth by 40-50%. They’re still growing by a lot. It just moves the date by a few years. Demographic doom is frequently cited for China

Sure and that slows GDP growth by 40-50%. They’re still growing by a lot. It just moves the date by a few years. Demographic doom is frequently cited for China but I rarely hear about the doom of Europe which has worse demographics. Demographics can be topped up using immigration. Without immigration the US would also be in demographic decline.

zepto 5y ago
> Demographics can be topped up using immigration. Without immigration the US would also be in demographic decline. There is a reason people move to the US. Good luck to the CCP attempting to reproduce that.
- kamaal 5y ago
  Most people from third world countries who move to the USA do so because of the infrastructure and quality of life, not because they read 'Bill of Rights'. Also machines are coming for your jobs, you wont need that many people anyway.
  - zepto 5y ago
    Who said anything about the third world? Highly qualified workers from Europe still come to the US too.
sharikous 5y ago
Western/Northern Europe have somewhat better demographics, thanks to immigration. Eastern Europe is in a deep demographic pit but is still recovering from poverty so it has a lot of room for economic growth still (and buoys up Western Europe). Doom of Southern Europe, however, is talked about quite a lot.
seanmcdirmid 5y ago
> They’re still growing by a lot. It just moves the date by a few years. The problem is that their average age moves up, and productivity decreases as people hit or near retirement. Unless China starts opening up to immigration (not impossible), they are going to be Japan without being rich yet. > I rarely hear about the doom of Europe which has worse demographics. Europe has immigration. China does not. If China is willing to embrace e.g. the African aspiring immigrants who have come to Guangzhou in recent years, things could change quickly, but I'm not really seeing. Japan did not, and that's why you can get a house for a reasonable price in Tokyo these days.
- pedrosorio 5y ago
  I find exactly one house (a 1BR house ?) under 100 million JPY (866k USD) in the outskirts of Tokyo. Is there a better website to search for these reasonably priced houses? [0] https://housingjapan.com/buy/search/#c={%22p[h]%22:%22100000000%22,%22st%22:%22house%22}&sk=price&so=desc https://housingjapan.com/buy/search/#c={%22p[h]%22:%22100000...
  - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
    This might be outdated given that it is from 2020: https://resources.realestate.co.jp/news/how-much-does-it-cost-to-buy-a-house-in-tokyo-october-2020-update/ https://resources.realestate.co.jp/news/how-much-does-it-cos... I only mention it because someone brought it up a few days ago when there was a debate on why real estate prices were so high in the USA.
  - bemmu 5y ago
    I live in Japan and this is the site I use to browse for houses: https://www.athome.co.jp/kodate/chuko/tokyo/map/list/?LAT=35.66363684444445&LON=139.69767850277807&CRN=shibuya https://www.athome.co.jp/kodate/chuko/tokyo/map/list/?LAT=35... On the left in price range you can select max 10,000万円 to see houses under 100 million. Zoom out on the map to start seeing some dots.

zepto 5y ago

> Demographics can be topped up using immigration. Without immigration the US would also be in demographic decline. There is a reason people move to the US. Good luck to the CCP attempting to reproduce that.

kamaal 5y ago
Most people from third world countries who move to the USA do so because of the infrastructure and quality of life, not because they read 'Bill of Rights'. Also machines are coming for your jobs, you wont need that many people anyway.
- zepto 5y ago
  Who said anything about the third world? Highly qualified workers from Europe still come to the US too.

sharikous 5y ago

Western/Northern Europe have somewhat better demographics, thanks to immigration. Eastern Europe is in a deep demographic pit but is still recovering from poverty so it has a lot of room for economic growth still (and buoys up Western Europe). Doom of Southern Europe, however, is talked about quite a lot.

seanmcdirmid 5y ago

> They’re still growing by a lot. It just moves the date by a few years. The problem is that their average age moves up, and productivity decreases as people hit or near retirement. Unless China starts opening up to immigration (not impossible), they are going to be Japan without being rich yet. > I rarely hear about the doom of Europe which has worse demographics. Europe has immigration. China does not. If China is willing to embrace e.g. the African aspiring immigrants who have come to Guangzhou in recent years, things could change quickly, but I'm not really seeing. Japan did not, and that's why you can get a house for a reasonable price in Tokyo these days.

pedrosorio 5y ago
I find exactly one house (a 1BR house ?) under 100 million JPY (866k USD) in the outskirts of Tokyo. Is there a better website to search for these reasonably priced houses? [0] https://housingjapan.com/buy/search/#c={%22p[h]%22:%22100000000%22,%22st%22:%22house%22}&sk=price&so=desc https://housingjapan.com/buy/search/#c={%22p[h]%22:%22100000...
- seanmcdirmid 5y ago
  This might be outdated given that it is from 2020: https://resources.realestate.co.jp/news/how-much-does-it-cost-to-buy-a-house-in-tokyo-october-2020-update/ https://resources.realestate.co.jp/news/how-much-does-it-cos... I only mention it because someone brought it up a few days ago when there was a debate on why real estate prices were so high in the USA.
- bemmu 5y ago
  I live in Japan and this is the site I use to browse for houses: https://www.athome.co.jp/kodate/chuko/tokyo/map/list/?LAT=35.66363684444445&LON=139.69767850277807&CRN=shibuya https://www.athome.co.jp/kodate/chuko/tokyo/map/list/?LAT=35... On the left in price range you can select max 10,000万円 to see houses under 100 million. Zoom out on the map to start seeing some dots.