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> If your Grandpa chose to not get vaccinated and gets COVID, thats his problem. Unfortunately though that's not true. It's putting a huge burden on hospitals

by aqme28 5y ago

> If your Grandpa chose to not get vaccinated and gets COVID, thats his problem. Unfortunately though that's not true. It's putting a huge burden on hospitals that affects us all.

tqi 5y ago
True, but thats a % of a % of a % (ie Masks could prevent some % of COVID transmission at school, of some % of which would have be transmitted to other individuals in the home, of which some % of which would have required hospitalization), which makes it seem likely to be a high cost for not much reward.
- mlac 5y ago
  Which at scale is still a significant number of hospital beds, and queues grow exponentially when a system reaches capacity.
beiller 5y ago
Isn't the point way up that nurses are quitting. This creates a burden at the hospital. Why are they quitting? Because they are treated like cattle instead of employed human beings. See the court case on the hospital suing the nurses in an at will employment state for quitting and going to another hospital for higher pay. There are even some who are fired for not getting a vaccine regardless of any special circumstance the individual may have.
- lhorie 5y ago
eddieplan9 5y ago
Maybe insurance companies should drop them (or raise their premium, just like what they do with smokers).
- rhexs 5y ago
  Should insurance companies also drop low income Americans with diets that trivially lead to heart disease? Shouldn't we, as a society, take care of those who don't know better?
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  - genewitch 5y ago
    Just record license plates at all fast food restaurants, probably most restaurants, really, average meal runs over 3/4ths of what an average adult male needs to maintain weight. Liquor stores and bars, too. Ethanol is at least as bad for your body as straight sucrose/fructose. Log time spent on Facebook, steam, Reddit, etc. Statistically inactivities. Hell, we could probably reject 75% of Americans in the first three months without any sort of death panels being necessary, just let Google, Target, and walmart machine learn AI the rejection criteria and alert the insurers.
- nradov 5y ago
  Due to the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), medical insurers aren't legally allowed to set premiums based on vaccination status. https://www.healthcare.gov/how-plans-set-your-premiums/ https://www.healthcare.gov/how-plans-set-your-premiums/
mikem170 5y ago
But the studies in the article, from multiple places, say that masking children didn't make a difference in local covid rates.

by aqme28 5y ago

> If your Grandpa chose to not get vaccinated and gets COVID, thats his problem. Unfortunately though that's not true. It's putting a huge burden on hospitals that affects us all.

tqi 5y ago

True, but thats a % of a % of a % (ie Masks could prevent some % of COVID transmission at school, of some % of which would have be transmitted to other individuals in the home, of which some % of which would have required hospitalization), which makes it seem likely to be a high cost for not much reward.

mlac 5y ago
Which at scale is still a significant number of hospital beds, and queues grow exponentially when a system reaches capacity.

beiller 5y ago

Isn't the point way up that nurses are quitting. This creates a burden at the hospital. Why are they quitting? Because they are treated like cattle instead of employed human beings. See the court case on the hospital suing the nurses in an at will employment state for quitting and going to another hospital for higher pay. There are even some who are fired for not getting a vaccine regardless of any special circumstance the individual may have.

lhorie 5y ago

eddieplan9 5y ago

Maybe insurance companies should drop them (or raise their premium, just like what they do with smokers).

rhexs 5y ago
Should insurance companies also drop low income Americans with diets that trivially lead to heart disease? Shouldn't we, as a society, take care of those who don't know better?
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- genewitch 5y ago
  Just record license plates at all fast food restaurants, probably most restaurants, really, average meal runs over 3/4ths of what an average adult male needs to maintain weight. Liquor stores and bars, too. Ethanol is at least as bad for your body as straight sucrose/fructose. Log time spent on Facebook, steam, Reddit, etc. Statistically inactivities. Hell, we could probably reject 75% of Americans in the first three months without any sort of death panels being necessary, just let Google, Target, and walmart machine learn AI the rejection criteria and alert the insurers.
nradov 5y ago
Due to the Affordable Care Act (Obamacare), medical insurers aren't legally allowed to set premiums based on vaccination status. https://www.healthcare.gov/how-plans-set-your-premiums/ https://www.healthcare.gov/how-plans-set-your-premiums/

mikem170 5y ago

But the studies in the article, from multiple places, say that masking children didn't make a difference in local covid rates.