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US Surgeon General Vivek Murthy suggests Joe Rogan should be censored

11 points by throwawaysea 5y ago

TameAntelope 5y ago
He should be, by Spotify. Certainly not by the US Government, however.
- whythre 5y ago
  No he shouldn’t. Why even have a talk show if some things are verboten?
  - TameAntelope 5y ago
    Then don't have a talk show, I don't care. There are already a whole host of things Joe Rogan can't say on his podcast, you just don't know about them because he can't say them. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exce...
    - lp0_on_fire 5y ago
      Well, some of us DO care and that you don't like him doesn't mean that he should be censored. This is the position of a moral busybody. Here's a thought: If you don't like his show...don't listen to it. Start your own show that points out everything you think Joe Rogan gets wrong. I'm pretty certain that if you were to do that, he wouldn't be calling for you to be censored.
      - TameAntelope 5y ago
        I didn't say I don't like him, I said he should be censored by Spotify. What I think of his show is irrelevant, If he's spreading harmful lies, Spotify shouldn't support that, and should prevent him (and anyone else) from using their platform to do it.
- fuckvivek 5y ago
tomohawk 5y ago
We have the US Surgeon General, who has sworn an auth to uphold and defend the US Constitution, saying that a US citizen's rights should be infringed? And he's suggesting to a corporation that they may want to do that for him? Impeach him. There is no difference between a high government official directly censoring someone and a corporation doing on that official's behalf.
- fr33d0m_ 5y ago
  Frankly it's quite sad and scary, the fact that some "government officials" like this one seem to think the US Constitution is some "guideline" and not something that people have shed blood for, gone to war for and many millions have died over all in the sake of freedom and for us to be free. All to be thrown away and disregarded? I wonder why he/his family immigrated to the US? Was it for the freedom of opportunity? It seemed it worked out well for him only to then trample on the constitution and demanding US citizens be censored? The founding fathers who risked their lives must be rolling in their graves I would imagine. He should be ashamed of himself and seriously reflect on his stance and choices. Vivek Murthy should resign immediately.
  - dekhn 5y ago
    Could you say specifically what in his quote makes you think he's acting as if the US Constitution is a guideline? I'm guessing he knows the first amendment and the law and it seems unlikely that he would actually verbally state that the government should actively violate the constitution. Remember, the US has powers it doesn't exercise that allow it to limit the freedom of americans within a constitutional context. And it also has the ability to message to people in ways that cast doubt on things it does not want people to believe.
    - fr33d0m_ 5y ago
      I am no lawyer or legal expert but... Amendment I "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." You have a US Government official specifically saying "Joe Rogan Must be Censored" which took an oath to uphold the constitution. He is paid from US tax dollars and is supposed representative of the people. No government official should call to censor anyone, this is literally KGB/H1tl3R/China Dictator type stuff and should frighten and scare the living crap out of everyone. Joe Rogan hosted free speech from medical and world renowned vaccine experts who have been de-platformed, censored, bullied, fired, threatened with medical licenses being revoked...etc. etc. Do you not know anything about history? "Today it's me, tomorrow it's you." I stand with Joe Rogan, free speech, free thinkers, the right to say and write what you think wither I disagree or agree with it. If you can't tolerate that, then you might as well live in a George Orwell 1984 world. Not me.
fuckvivek 5y ago
draw_down 5y ago
dekhn 5y ago
Unless he can demonstrate a highly specific and direct harm caused by Rogan (rather than just chaos monkey), no.
marstall 5y ago
he's saying the media "shouldn't spread misinformation". this is very far from censorship. This is the Surgeon General Surgeon Generaling. Censorship is when the government makes it illegal to publish information. It is NOT when a given media outlet decides not to publish something. Large and small media outlets around the world make the decision not to publish lies as a matter of daily practice - that's their choice. Others decide to publish lies, and they are free to carry Joe Rogan.
- fr33d0m_ 5y ago
  He also said "We use the POWER that we have to limit the spread of that misinformation." These are extremely hostile and dangerous words from a US Official, no? Who are you to determine what are/are not lies and what is/isn't truth? You are obviously following one narrative, but is there not another or other narratives? Is everyone that goes against the "mainstream narrative" automatically wrong, even if there have been world renowned medical experts and other science stating other facts that have been completely de-platformed by these "mainstream media outlets". Do you think it's healthy that the "mainstream media" is owned by a few powerful funds and small groups of people comprised of board members of the very same medical and pharmaceutical companies? And those very same Super-PACS fund the politicians that get there? There is much cross-over, and lots of potential for conflicts of interests, no? To put your complete trust in one opinion, group, party or sources doesn't seem so healthy or sane to me - but to each their own. You will not tell me what is misinformation or not. I prefer to hear from all experts of all sides myself. Personally, I'm a free thinker - but if you prefer to be spoon-fed what to and what not to think, this is your choice. I have read history, I'm aware of the former Communist, Nazi, Authoritarian and Dictatorship regimes - all which started with the control of the media, suppression of free thinkers, speech, intellectuals and controlling ONE NARRATIVE and this is exactly how things start - and how they end or ended...well, wars (Civil and globally) and millions of deaths. Power corrupts, just like water is wet.
  - marstall 5y ago
    > Who are you to determine what are/are not lies and what is/isn't truth? a human being?
lyncro 5y ago

11 points by throwawaysea 5y ago

TameAntelope 5y ago

He should be, by Spotify. Certainly not by the US Government, however.

whythre 5y ago
No he shouldn’t. Why even have a talk show if some things are verboten?
- TameAntelope 5y ago
  Then don't have a talk show, I don't care. There are already a whole host of things Joe Rogan can't say on his podcast, you just don't know about them because he can't say them. [0] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exceptions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_free_speech_exce...
  - lp0_on_fire 5y ago
    Well, some of us DO care and that you don't like him doesn't mean that he should be censored. This is the position of a moral busybody. Here's a thought: If you don't like his show...don't listen to it. Start your own show that points out everything you think Joe Rogan gets wrong. I'm pretty certain that if you were to do that, he wouldn't be calling for you to be censored.
    - TameAntelope 5y ago
      I didn't say I don't like him, I said he should be censored by Spotify. What I think of his show is irrelevant, If he's spreading harmful lies, Spotify shouldn't support that, and should prevent him (and anyone else) from using their platform to do it.
fuckvivek 5y ago

tomohawk 5y ago

We have the US Surgeon General, who has sworn an auth to uphold and defend the US Constitution, saying that a US citizen's rights should be infringed? And he's suggesting to a corporation that they may want to do that for him? Impeach him. There is no difference between a high government official directly censoring someone and a corporation doing on that official's behalf.

fr33d0m_ 5y ago
Frankly it's quite sad and scary, the fact that some "government officials" like this one seem to think the US Constitution is some "guideline" and not something that people have shed blood for, gone to war for and many millions have died over all in the sake of freedom and for us to be free. All to be thrown away and disregarded? I wonder why he/his family immigrated to the US? Was it for the freedom of opportunity? It seemed it worked out well for him only to then trample on the constitution and demanding US citizens be censored? The founding fathers who risked their lives must be rolling in their graves I would imagine. He should be ashamed of himself and seriously reflect on his stance and choices. Vivek Murthy should resign immediately.
- dekhn 5y ago
  Could you say specifically what in his quote makes you think he's acting as if the US Constitution is a guideline? I'm guessing he knows the first amendment and the law and it seems unlikely that he would actually verbally state that the government should actively violate the constitution. Remember, the US has powers it doesn't exercise that allow it to limit the freedom of americans within a constitutional context. And it also has the ability to message to people in ways that cast doubt on things it does not want people to believe.
  - fr33d0m_ 5y ago
    I am no lawyer or legal expert but... Amendment I "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." You have a US Government official specifically saying "Joe Rogan Must be Censored" which took an oath to uphold the constitution. He is paid from US tax dollars and is supposed representative of the people. No government official should call to censor anyone, this is literally KGB/H1tl3R/China Dictator type stuff and should frighten and scare the living crap out of everyone. Joe Rogan hosted free speech from medical and world renowned vaccine experts who have been de-platformed, censored, bullied, fired, threatened with medical licenses being revoked...etc. etc. Do you not know anything about history? "Today it's me, tomorrow it's you." I stand with Joe Rogan, free speech, free thinkers, the right to say and write what you think wither I disagree or agree with it. If you can't tolerate that, then you might as well live in a George Orwell 1984 world. Not me.

fuckvivek 5y ago

draw_down 5y ago

dekhn 5y ago

Unless he can demonstrate a highly specific and direct harm caused by Rogan (rather than just chaos monkey), no.

marstall 5y ago

he's saying the media "shouldn't spread misinformation". this is very far from censorship. This is the Surgeon General Surgeon Generaling. Censorship is when the government makes it illegal to publish information. It is NOT when a given media outlet decides not to publish something. Large and small media outlets around the world make the decision not to publish lies as a matter of daily practice - that's their choice. Others decide to publish lies, and they are free to carry Joe Rogan.

fr33d0m_ 5y ago
He also said "We use the POWER that we have to limit the spread of that misinformation." These are extremely hostile and dangerous words from a US Official, no? Who are you to determine what are/are not lies and what is/isn't truth? You are obviously following one narrative, but is there not another or other narratives? Is everyone that goes against the "mainstream narrative" automatically wrong, even if there have been world renowned medical experts and other science stating other facts that have been completely de-platformed by these "mainstream media outlets". Do you think it's healthy that the "mainstream media" is owned by a few powerful funds and small groups of people comprised of board members of the very same medical and pharmaceutical companies? And those very same Super-PACS fund the politicians that get there? There is much cross-over, and lots of potential for conflicts of interests, no? To put your complete trust in one opinion, group, party or sources doesn't seem so healthy or sane to me - but to each their own. You will not tell me what is misinformation or not. I prefer to hear from all experts of all sides myself. Personally, I'm a free thinker - but if you prefer to be spoon-fed what to and what not to think, this is your choice. I have read history, I'm aware of the former Communist, Nazi, Authoritarian and Dictatorship regimes - all which started with the control of the media, suppression of free thinkers, speech, intellectuals and controlling ONE NARRATIVE and this is exactly how things start - and how they end or ended...well, wars (Civil and globally) and millions of deaths. Power corrupts, just like water is wet.
- marstall 5y ago
  > Who are you to determine what are/are not lies and what is/isn't truth? a human being?

lyncro 5y ago