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How many children are there in the US? I'll let you pick the number you'd like to multiply by 0.00002, to get the number of children you're okay with killing.

nradov 5y ago
It's easy to act morally superior and make cheap emotional arguments for when you're not the one who has to make hard decisions. All lives have value, but no life has infinite value. You can't seriously expect the majority to endure perpetual mandates and restrictions just to provide some limited, temporary protection to a small minority who are vulnerable due to risk factors like obesity. https://reason.com/2022/01/03/cdc-covid-19-children-hospitalization-obesity-teenagers/ https://reason.com/2022/01/03/cdc-covid-19-children-hospital... And in the long run it won't make any difference anyway. Everyone will be exposed regardless of whether or not schoolchildren are subjected to mask mandates. So what's the point of continuing the charade? https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646
- TameAntelope 5y ago
  I absolutely can expect the majority to endure a minor inconvenience, if that minority they're protecting is a thousand innocent children in a given year (you didn't pick a number, so I will, 78 million children). And the point is to lower the curve, not avoid exposure. But, again, you know all of this, you just don't care. Shameful.
  - jimmaswell 5y ago
    > minor inconvenience The impacts on their development shown in the article and rest of the comments are much more than a minor inconvenience
    - TameAntelope 5y ago
      The impacts are a price worth paying.
      - jimmaswell 5y ago
        Delaying inevitable infections doesn't seem worth saddling an entire generation with developmental delays and potential ear deformities requiring surgery.
        TameAntelope 5y ago
        It is, however, and it is the advice of every reputable institution in the US.
      - jimmyjazz14 5y ago
        That is not for you to decide. Maybe you can decide that for your own children but not mine.
        TameAntelope 5y ago
        I absolutely can decide that for your own children, and I can decide that for you, given enough votes. You have no special control over your children that transcends society, especially if you mean them harm.
        jimmyjazz14 5y ago
        I'm sure if a politician spouted such things they would just get tons of votes from parents. Honestly its kinda interesting to hear you say such a thing out loud because some of the more extreme voices on the anti-mask side have claimed that control is exactly whats going on which makes me wonder if you are not just trolling at this point (or maybe they were right all along).
  - jimmyjazz14 5y ago
    Children actually have around a ten times higher chance of drowning than dying of COVID, so should we close all the pools and lakes? No we don't do that because we realize as humans that life is not without risk, in fact risk is what makes life worth living. I have children and worry every day something bad might happen to them but I let them take risk and live life because I know that's the only way that they will grow and be happy.
    - TameAntelope 5y ago
      We do close all the pools and lakes to children who can't swim, or who swim unsupervised. We literally do not let children swim freely in random bodies of water. It's a huge deal; we hire lifeguards, teach them methods of operating safely in bodies of water, there's all kinds of equipment a child can wear while in the water to prevent drowning... This isn't a great analogy for you, because it pretty thoroughly proves my point that masking is a very reasonable thing to do, compared to the litany of structure we put around children swimming in pools. I was a lifeguard at a summer camp for christsake, what a terrible analogy. I literally worked to implement the many systems we use to keep kids safe in bodies of water.
      - thoughtstheseus 5y ago
        This is false. I can confirm there are thousands of “not-closed” lakes in America.
      - jimmyjazz14 5y ago
        I literally live on a lake and kids swim in it unsupervised all the time. I can't but feel you are just trolling at this point.
- kareemm 5y ago
  > You can't seriously expect the majority to endure perpetual mandates and restrictions just to provide some limited, temporary protection to a small minority who are vulnerable due to risk factors like obesity. Who is saying the mandates and restrictions are perpetual?

nradov 5y ago

It's easy to act morally superior and make cheap emotional arguments for when you're not the one who has to make hard decisions. All lives have value, but no life has infinite value. You can't seriously expect the majority to endure perpetual mandates and restrictions just to provide some limited, temporary protection to a small minority who are vulnerable due to risk factors like obesity. https://reason.com/2022/01/03/cdc-covid-19-children-hospitalization-obesity-teenagers/ https://reason.com/2022/01/03/cdc-covid-19-children-hospital... And in the long run it won't make any difference anyway. Everyone will be exposed regardless of whether or not schoolchildren are subjected to mask mandates. So what's the point of continuing the charade? https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646 https://www.medpagetoday.com/opinion/vinay-prasad/94646

TameAntelope 5y ago
I absolutely can expect the majority to endure a minor inconvenience, if that minority they're protecting is a thousand innocent children in a given year (you didn't pick a number, so I will, 78 million children). And the point is to lower the curve, not avoid exposure. But, again, you know all of this, you just don't care. Shameful.
- jimmaswell 5y ago
  > minor inconvenience The impacts on their development shown in the article and rest of the comments are much more than a minor inconvenience
  - TameAntelope 5y ago
    The impacts are a price worth paying.
    - jimmaswell 5y ago
      Delaying inevitable infections doesn't seem worth saddling an entire generation with developmental delays and potential ear deformities requiring surgery.
      - TameAntelope 5y ago
        It is, however, and it is the advice of every reputable institution in the US.
    - jimmyjazz14 5y ago
      That is not for you to decide. Maybe you can decide that for your own children but not mine.
      - TameAntelope 5y ago
        I absolutely can decide that for your own children, and I can decide that for you, given enough votes. You have no special control over your children that transcends society, especially if you mean them harm.
        jimmyjazz14 5y ago
        I'm sure if a politician spouted such things they would just get tons of votes from parents. Honestly its kinda interesting to hear you say such a thing out loud because some of the more extreme voices on the anti-mask side have claimed that control is exactly whats going on which makes me wonder if you are not just trolling at this point (or maybe they were right all along).
- jimmyjazz14 5y ago
  Children actually have around a ten times higher chance of drowning than dying of COVID, so should we close all the pools and lakes? No we don't do that because we realize as humans that life is not without risk, in fact risk is what makes life worth living. I have children and worry every day something bad might happen to them but I let them take risk and live life because I know that's the only way that they will grow and be happy.
  - TameAntelope 5y ago
    We do close all the pools and lakes to children who can't swim, or who swim unsupervised. We literally do not let children swim freely in random bodies of water. It's a huge deal; we hire lifeguards, teach them methods of operating safely in bodies of water, there's all kinds of equipment a child can wear while in the water to prevent drowning... This isn't a great analogy for you, because it pretty thoroughly proves my point that masking is a very reasonable thing to do, compared to the litany of structure we put around children swimming in pools. I was a lifeguard at a summer camp for christsake, what a terrible analogy. I literally worked to implement the many systems we use to keep kids safe in bodies of water.
    - thoughtstheseus 5y ago
      This is false. I can confirm there are thousands of “not-closed” lakes in America.
    - jimmyjazz14 5y ago
      I literally live on a lake and kids swim in it unsupervised all the time. I can't but feel you are just trolling at this point.
kareemm 5y ago
> You can't seriously expect the majority to endure perpetual mandates and restrictions just to provide some limited, temporary protection to a small minority who are vulnerable due to risk factors like obesity. Who is saying the mandates and restrictions are perpetual?