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Nobody cares because we have something better. It’s called paramotoring. Saying it changed my life wouldn’t be an overstatement. The ability to store it inside

by pqdbr 5y ago

Nobody cares because we have something better. It’s called paramotoring. Saying it changed my life wouldn’t be an overstatement. The ability to store it inside my sedan, travel anywhere, take off with my own feet, fly anywhere for around 4 hours, and land basically anywhere… is just magical.

jedberg 5y ago
TIL about paramotoring. I'd seen the rigs before but didn't know the name. I googled it and the first thing that came up was a YouTube video about the 5 most dangerous things about paramotoring. :)
- mtinkerhess 5y ago
  I found the same video it looks like all those dangers are preventable? Don't do acrobatics at low altitude, don't fly over water, don't start the engine on the ground, don't buzz trees or other obstacles, don't get close to other paramotors in flight.
- petre 5y ago
  I wouldn't try paramotoring without doing at least a 6 month paragliding course first. Which in fact I did when I was 21. After I saw a colleague make a judgement error, fall from 30ft, hit the ground and jump like a soft ball I became stressed during flight. He had flown a DHV3¹ paraglider though and was not experienced enough to fly that wing. Current DHV1 wings are much more safer and very performant compared to 2000 era wings that we've flown. Shortly after the fall incident a guy I became acquainted with died during a competition. I just gave up because it stopped being fun. My instructor had an accident with a powered hang glider few years afterwards. He still has a bad limp to this day. He has always been very safety conscious and had at least 25 years of prior aviation experience, parachuting and paragliding, when his accident occured. Anyway, I find paramotors quite offensive because they make an awful lot of noise and smoke and the pilot's position is quite unnatural compared to normal paragliding because the motor pushes him or her forward. Maybe when we'll have electric paramotors under 10 kilos things will change for the better. 1. https://www.dhv.de/en/testing/dhv-classification-of-paragliders/ https://www.dhv.de/en/testing/dhv-classification-of-paraglid...
  - psyc 5y ago
    The transitive PTSD from your fellow pilots dying is real. I quit after 800+ flights (including motored, and yes it is incredible) after the 5th death of someone I'd either been close to or at least on adventures with. Not to mention all the broken vertebrae which is a lot more common than death. In the span of a few years I saw three ridiculously experienced instructors (one had like 8,000 flights) smash into the ground, then spend 2 months in the hospital and a year recovering. The fact that we know what mistakes they made is a red herring. You'd have to be a fool to think you're going to be the first paragliding pilot in history to never make a potentially fatal mistake. One of them, a friend and a very good pilot, simply pulled his brake half an inch too far. It was a perfectly calm evening. There were two warring factions at my local mountain. One organized around the idea that paragliding can be made safe. My camp maintained that 'safe' and 'paragliding' should never be in the same sentence without an 'isn't' between them. Hikers always opened conversation with "Is it safe?" The other camp would say "Oh yes, quite, and would you like a ride for $200?" Our camp would try not to laugh. I'd usually reply with, "Does it look safe?" We said it was all about risks and percentages, with the understanding that the risk of dying or being crippled with a slow glider in perfect conditions is always > 0. I'm not saying it isn't worth it. It's totally worth it, though it's easier for me to say since I got out unharmed. Rather, I developed a discomfort that prevented me from enjoying it. Not fear - but a kind of disillusionment. Because even though my instructor said "It's not safe." over and over, and even though I repeated it to others, secretly I believed it was and it took 8 years for observed events to wear that belief down. A big part of me hopes I return, maybe after my parents are gone or I'm their age or something. There is really nothing like it in the world and I doubt anything I ever do will ever energize my soul the way free flying did.
    - petre 5y ago
      Flying is nice but shaky and unpredictable weather still makes me uneasy. If I'll ever try it again it will be in a sailplane or a light airplane.
    - hitekker 5y ago
      The best comment I've read today. Thank you for sharing your experience.
didip 5y ago
wow! I have seen this in real life but had no idea what's the name. It definitely seems simpler and safer than jetpack.
JKCalhoun 5y ago
You've got my attention. Been watching these kids with paramotors on YouTube blaze across fields, drop in on a rural McDonalds.... It looks like fun ... and safe enough?
- Toutouxc 5y ago
  > and safe enough? They're like motorcycles. Do everything right and it's almost safe (someone else can hit you on the road and there are rare meteorological phenomena able to bring a paramotor down, e.g. a microburst), but even small errors can result in severe injury or death.
- asciimov 5y ago
  Nothing is safe, you just have to acknowledge the risk involved and accept it. Risk is everywhere, if you accept the risk involved you may find yourself having a good time.
  - 8bitsrule 5y ago
    Back in 1884 at Coney Island people paid a nickel and lined up for a 600-foot ride (at 6 miles per hour!) on the first 'roller coaster'. (Some of them probably fainted!)
- pqdbr 5y ago
  It's the best thing you can do with your clothes on, lol. And extremely safe. I've been flying for 4+ years and I never even twisted an ankle. Actually, if you like adrenalin, I'd suggest looking elsewhere. I did skydiving for many years before discovering paramotoring, and they are completely unrelated activities. Yes, you can do high speed flying and "slalom" with your paramotor, but 98% of us don't. It's a contemplation sport. Like going on a bike ride or jetski ride with your friends, but in 3 dimensions. It's all about the views, soaking up the scenery, and having a good time in the sunset or in the sunrise. If you live near the beach, you can fly all day; if you live in the countryside, you'll probably fly early in the mornings or in the sunset, due to the lower thermal activity (it gets bumpy otherwise). If your engine fails ... you have a huge "parachute" that sails 6 meters forward for ever meter down. Actually, every single landing we do, we are either with our engine completely shutdown or idling. I've had 3 malfuctions in these 4 years; as long as you're flying watching your "safety cone", you'll slowly glide to a pleasant landing. If your main glider fails (they don't, but our main enemies are kites; their lines can cut through our lines like butter), you still have a reserve chute that you can throw as a last resort. If you fly over water, equip yourself with flotation devices. There are many specific to paramotors that inflate automatically. What defines the sport is the wing you choose. You'll get trained by an instructor, and he'll guide you to the best wing according to your weight and desires in the sport. Basically: - Get professional training; - Get a good equipment and a wing suited to your weight; - Don't fly over water without flotation; - Always watch your "safety cone" in the event of an engine out; - Don't fly spirals near the ground (don't be a showoff); - Beware of your weather forecast and land if winds go over your comfort speed; You literally become a drone (mine is getting dust and never flies anymore). It's incredible. If you have the chance, get yourself trained, you'll add a whole other dimension to your life.
jodrellblank 5y ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1Z8YT6w7Rc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1Z8YT6w7Rc - guy flies to 17,500 feet on his paramotor. I didn't know they were a thing before watching this. Amazing.
- lsh123 5y ago
  And also collide with planes: https://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article256764962.html https://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article256764...
  - Toutouxc 5y ago
    Well, paramotors are actually a bit less prone to mid-air collisions (aside from showing off, wing tip bumping etc.), because they're usually brightly colored, the pilots have perfect visibility, they fly slow and usually pretty low (lower than most airplanes).
    - imoverclocked 5y ago
      I think it's more due to the big sky theory. When flying even a modest GA aircraft VFR, there isn't much time to react if you've been looking down at foreflight/instruments for 30 seconds while heading straight towards a paramotor which has no ADS-B out. This says even more for IFR craft that move much faster.
      - pabs3 5y ago
        Would it be feasible to do ADS-B on a paramotor?
        imoverclocked 5y ago
        Technically? Yeah, someone could probably make a small device that incorporates all the necessary gadgets (would need to read the FARs) and then broadcast a signal. Honestly, even if someone just scraped together GPS and a transmitter with a color changing LED (eg: red=fault, green=transmitting) and then worked with the FAA to set aside a squawk code for these devices, they would improve safety for everyone in the sky while also creating a product that would likely become a standard for several decades, if not more.
jerf 5y ago
It's a pet peeve of mine that people think that sci-fi authors writing decades before the tech exists somehow got the design right, just because Hollywood made some pretty moving pictures that fired up your imagination. It's hard enough to design things in the real world when you've got the tech in hand. There's no way to think that people got it right decades earlier with even larger disadvantages. The reality is we don't have jetpacks because jetpacks suuuuuuuuuck. Paramotoring turns out to make a lot more sense. It may not be the picture in your head, but it can be real. Also, we don't have flying cars because flying cars suuuuuuuuuck. We don't have heavy-duty voice interfaced computers because they suuuuuuuuuck. We even have the tech now for those, and they suuuuuuuuuck as the only interface. (They can work if you're dedicated and have no alternatives, as people program with pure voice interfaces, but they only use them because they're the best alternative they have.) Computer interfaces don't look like LCARS Star Trek interfaces because those interfaces suuuuuuuuuck. And so on.
- 6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
  The other side is my own pet peeve: thinking that sci-fi authors were visionaries for putting something out there before anyone else makes it real. One reason we don't have flying cars could be battery tech, taking your example. There's a ton of cool shit happening in aviation as batteries improve.
  - Ekaros 5y ago
    Flying without lift from wings or like as people think of sci-fi flying cars isn't practical, unless we break the physics as we understand today. I honestly can't think of anything more wasteful than hovering flying car...
  - namlem 5y ago
    Even if you fix all the other problems with flying cars, you're not gonna fix the noise issue. They are simply too loud to use in populated areas.
    - dredmorbius 5y ago
austinl 5y ago
I've just been getting into paragliding (i.e. without the motor), and have been absolutely loving it. It blew my mind to learn that by riding thermals, paragliders can essentially stay in the air indefinitely. My longest flight so far has only been about 15 minutes, but people are regularly in the air for hours. For some more inspiration, check out "speed flying" — essentially, paragliding with skies: https://youtu.be/UwWLnaME0CI https://youtu.be/UwWLnaME0CI
- ngngngng 5y ago
  Utah has a couple spots that are popular for paragliding. I'll never forget the time we visited one of the popular launch spots and saw a man get so high within minutes that we couldn't see him anymore.
- mrtksn 5y ago
  I used to do paragliding back in college, definitely prefer it to paramotoring because no engine noise and much more agile wings. However I wouldn't relate it with "speed flying" because speed flying is a truly an extreme sport with extremely high mortality but paragliding is a chill flying unless you choose to make it extreme. Paragliding is so safe these days, the wings are very stable and spontaneously return to airworthy shape if disrupted. Flying is very chill, to do something at high speed you usually need to build up energy by spiralling or swinging the wing. Speed flying on the other hand uses much smaller wings and that makes them very dynamic. They fly at much higher speeds and they have high kinetic energy all the time which results in very large movements even at small inputs from the pilot.
- panick21_ 5y ago
  Living in the Alps I have seen so many of these. I always prefer to stick to riding on the snow, rather then flying.
savrajsingh 5y ago
How/where did you get training?
- yurishimo 5y ago
  You can find a club in most large cities. In the US at least, the biggest problem is getting far enough away from the city so you don't become a hazard to commercial plane traffic. I live in the DFW metroplex, and you have to drive almost 100 miles out of the city to take-off and then you're pretty limited on where you can fly due to the abundance of small airports nearby. There are maps available that show what kind of airspace is around you. I forget the specifics as it's a been a few years since I looked into it, but there are different designations for what/who is allowed to fly where and paramotors are very low on the totem pole in terms of priority and access allotments.
- pqdbr 5y ago
  Just google for paramotor training, there are many schools in the US. I suggest get training near the place you plan to do most of your flying, because flying at the beach with constant, laminar, mid-strong winds is very different than flying at the countryside with bumpy and low-mid winds. If in doubt, learn to fly near the beach. The views are amazing :)
wnolens 5y ago
It's such beautifully "simple" system that makes so much sense. I love it. lol @ bajillion dollar R&D jetpack with ai controlled thrust vectoring
GuardianCaveman 5y ago
What is a good entry level kit? I know nothing and this sounds amazing.
- pqdbr 5y ago
  I'm giving you some pointers below but the best thing is to get proper training from an instructor. Helping you choose the right equipment for you is a big part of it. Your equipment has 3 main components: your engine (check out Vitorazzi, their "Moster 185" is definitely the most popular engine in the world), your cage (check out Parajet https://parajet.com/ https://parajet.com/ - they have some cages already assembled with the Moster 185) and your wing (I fly Ozone - https://www.flyozone.com/paramotor/ https://www.flyozone.com/paramotor/).
hffftz 5y ago
awqrre 5y ago
> Nobody cares because we have something better. It’s called paramotoring. It is still very bad if you want to use it for something useful and not just entertainment... It is very susceptible to malfunction when it is a bit windy...
DamnGirl 5y ago
no much better when you can't use it when it is windy....

by pqdbr 5y ago

jedberg 5y ago

TIL about paramotoring. I'd seen the rigs before but didn't know the name. I googled it and the first thing that came up was a YouTube video about the 5 most dangerous things about paramotoring. :)

mtinkerhess 5y ago
I found the same video it looks like all those dangers are preventable? Don't do acrobatics at low altitude, don't fly over water, don't start the engine on the ground, don't buzz trees or other obstacles, don't get close to other paramotors in flight.
petre 5y ago
I wouldn't try paramotoring without doing at least a 6 month paragliding course first. Which in fact I did when I was 21. After I saw a colleague make a judgement error, fall from 30ft, hit the ground and jump like a soft ball I became stressed during flight. He had flown a DHV3¹ paraglider though and was not experienced enough to fly that wing. Current DHV1 wings are much more safer and very performant compared to 2000 era wings that we've flown. Shortly after the fall incident a guy I became acquainted with died during a competition. I just gave up because it stopped being fun. My instructor had an accident with a powered hang glider few years afterwards. He still has a bad limp to this day. He has always been very safety conscious and had at least 25 years of prior aviation experience, parachuting and paragliding, when his accident occured. Anyway, I find paramotors quite offensive because they make an awful lot of noise and smoke and the pilot's position is quite unnatural compared to normal paragliding because the motor pushes him or her forward. Maybe when we'll have electric paramotors under 10 kilos things will change for the better. 1. https://www.dhv.de/en/testing/dhv-classification-of-paragliders/ https://www.dhv.de/en/testing/dhv-classification-of-paraglid...
- psyc 5y ago
  The transitive PTSD from your fellow pilots dying is real. I quit after 800+ flights (including motored, and yes it is incredible) after the 5th death of someone I'd either been close to or at least on adventures with. Not to mention all the broken vertebrae which is a lot more common than death. In the span of a few years I saw three ridiculously experienced instructors (one had like 8,000 flights) smash into the ground, then spend 2 months in the hospital and a year recovering. The fact that we know what mistakes they made is a red herring. You'd have to be a fool to think you're going to be the first paragliding pilot in history to never make a potentially fatal mistake. One of them, a friend and a very good pilot, simply pulled his brake half an inch too far. It was a perfectly calm evening. There were two warring factions at my local mountain. One organized around the idea that paragliding can be made safe. My camp maintained that 'safe' and 'paragliding' should never be in the same sentence without an 'isn't' between them. Hikers always opened conversation with "Is it safe?" The other camp would say "Oh yes, quite, and would you like a ride for $200?" Our camp would try not to laugh. I'd usually reply with, "Does it look safe?" We said it was all about risks and percentages, with the understanding that the risk of dying or being crippled with a slow glider in perfect conditions is always > 0. I'm not saying it isn't worth it. It's totally worth it, though it's easier for me to say since I got out unharmed. Rather, I developed a discomfort that prevented me from enjoying it. Not fear - but a kind of disillusionment. Because even though my instructor said "It's not safe." over and over, and even though I repeated it to others, secretly I believed it was and it took 8 years for observed events to wear that belief down. A big part of me hopes I return, maybe after my parents are gone or I'm their age or something. There is really nothing like it in the world and I doubt anything I ever do will ever energize my soul the way free flying did.
  - petre 5y ago
    Flying is nice but shaky and unpredictable weather still makes me uneasy. If I'll ever try it again it will be in a sailplane or a light airplane.
  - hitekker 5y ago
    The best comment I've read today. Thank you for sharing your experience.

didip 5y ago

wow! I have seen this in real life but had no idea what's the name. It definitely seems simpler and safer than jetpack.

JKCalhoun 5y ago

You've got my attention. Been watching these kids with paramotors on YouTube blaze across fields, drop in on a rural McDonalds.... It looks like fun ... and safe enough?

Toutouxc 5y ago
> and safe enough? They're like motorcycles. Do everything right and it's almost safe (someone else can hit you on the road and there are rare meteorological phenomena able to bring a paramotor down, e.g. a microburst), but even small errors can result in severe injury or death.
asciimov 5y ago
Nothing is safe, you just have to acknowledge the risk involved and accept it. Risk is everywhere, if you accept the risk involved you may find yourself having a good time.
- 8bitsrule 5y ago
  Back in 1884 at Coney Island people paid a nickel and lined up for a 600-foot ride (at 6 miles per hour!) on the first 'roller coaster'. (Some of them probably fainted!)
pqdbr 5y ago
It's the best thing you can do with your clothes on, lol. And extremely safe. I've been flying for 4+ years and I never even twisted an ankle. Actually, if you like adrenalin, I'd suggest looking elsewhere. I did skydiving for many years before discovering paramotoring, and they are completely unrelated activities. Yes, you can do high speed flying and "slalom" with your paramotor, but 98% of us don't. It's a contemplation sport. Like going on a bike ride or jetski ride with your friends, but in 3 dimensions. It's all about the views, soaking up the scenery, and having a good time in the sunset or in the sunrise. If you live near the beach, you can fly all day; if you live in the countryside, you'll probably fly early in the mornings or in the sunset, due to the lower thermal activity (it gets bumpy otherwise). If your engine fails ... you have a huge "parachute" that sails 6 meters forward for ever meter down. Actually, every single landing we do, we are either with our engine completely shutdown or idling. I've had 3 malfuctions in these 4 years; as long as you're flying watching your "safety cone", you'll slowly glide to a pleasant landing. If your main glider fails (they don't, but our main enemies are kites; their lines can cut through our lines like butter), you still have a reserve chute that you can throw as a last resort. If you fly over water, equip yourself with flotation devices. There are many specific to paramotors that inflate automatically. What defines the sport is the wing you choose. You'll get trained by an instructor, and he'll guide you to the best wing according to your weight and desires in the sport. Basically: - Get professional training; - Get a good equipment and a wing suited to your weight; - Don't fly over water without flotation; - Always watch your "safety cone" in the event of an engine out; - Don't fly spirals near the ground (don't be a showoff); - Beware of your weather forecast and land if winds go over your comfort speed; You literally become a drone (mine is getting dust and never flies anymore). It's incredible. If you have the chance, get yourself trained, you'll add a whole other dimension to your life.

jodrellblank 5y ago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1Z8YT6w7Rc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1Z8YT6w7Rc - guy flies to 17,500 feet on his paramotor. I didn't know they were a thing before watching this. Amazing.

lsh123 5y ago
And also collide with planes: https://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article256764962.html https://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article256764...
- Toutouxc 5y ago
  Well, paramotors are actually a bit less prone to mid-air collisions (aside from showing off, wing tip bumping etc.), because they're usually brightly colored, the pilots have perfect visibility, they fly slow and usually pretty low (lower than most airplanes).
  - imoverclocked 5y ago
    I think it's more due to the big sky theory. When flying even a modest GA aircraft VFR, there isn't much time to react if you've been looking down at foreflight/instruments for 30 seconds while heading straight towards a paramotor which has no ADS-B out. This says even more for IFR craft that move much faster.
    - pabs3 5y ago
      Would it be feasible to do ADS-B on a paramotor?
      - imoverclocked 5y ago
        Technically? Yeah, someone could probably make a small device that incorporates all the necessary gadgets (would need to read the FARs) and then broadcast a signal. Honestly, even if someone just scraped together GPS and a transmitter with a color changing LED (eg: red=fault, green=transmitting) and then worked with the FAA to set aside a squawk code for these devices, they would improve safety for everyone in the sky while also creating a product that would likely become a standard for several decades, if not more.

jerf 5y ago

It's a pet peeve of mine that people think that sci-fi authors writing decades before the tech exists somehow got the design right, just because Hollywood made some pretty moving pictures that fired up your imagination. It's hard enough to design things in the real world when you've got the tech in hand. There's no way to think that people got it right decades earlier with even larger disadvantages. The reality is we don't have jetpacks because jetpacks suuuuuuuuuck. Paramotoring turns out to make a lot more sense. It may not be the picture in your head, but it can be real. Also, we don't have flying cars because flying cars suuuuuuuuuck. We don't have heavy-duty voice interfaced computers because they suuuuuuuuuck. We even have the tech now for those, and they suuuuuuuuuck as the only interface. (They can work if you're dedicated and have no alternatives, as people program with pure voice interfaces, but they only use them because they're the best alternative they have.) Computer interfaces don't look like LCARS Star Trek interfaces because those interfaces suuuuuuuuuck. And so on.

6gvONxR4sf7o 5y ago
The other side is my own pet peeve: thinking that sci-fi authors were visionaries for putting something out there before anyone else makes it real. One reason we don't have flying cars could be battery tech, taking your example. There's a ton of cool shit happening in aviation as batteries improve.
- Ekaros 5y ago
  Flying without lift from wings or like as people think of sci-fi flying cars isn't practical, unless we break the physics as we understand today. I honestly can't think of anything more wasteful than hovering flying car...
- namlem 5y ago
  Even if you fix all the other problems with flying cars, you're not gonna fix the noise issue. They are simply too loud to use in populated areas.
  - dredmorbius 5y ago

austinl 5y ago

I've just been getting into paragliding (i.e. without the motor), and have been absolutely loving it. It blew my mind to learn that by riding thermals, paragliders can essentially stay in the air indefinitely. My longest flight so far has only been about 15 minutes, but people are regularly in the air for hours. For some more inspiration, check out "speed flying" — essentially, paragliding with skies: https://youtu.be/UwWLnaME0CI https://youtu.be/UwWLnaME0CI

ngngngng 5y ago
Utah has a couple spots that are popular for paragliding. I'll never forget the time we visited one of the popular launch spots and saw a man get so high within minutes that we couldn't see him anymore.
mrtksn 5y ago
I used to do paragliding back in college, definitely prefer it to paramotoring because no engine noise and much more agile wings. However I wouldn't relate it with "speed flying" because speed flying is a truly an extreme sport with extremely high mortality but paragliding is a chill flying unless you choose to make it extreme. Paragliding is so safe these days, the wings are very stable and spontaneously return to airworthy shape if disrupted. Flying is very chill, to do something at high speed you usually need to build up energy by spiralling or swinging the wing. Speed flying on the other hand uses much smaller wings and that makes them very dynamic. They fly at much higher speeds and they have high kinetic energy all the time which results in very large movements even at small inputs from the pilot.
panick21_ 5y ago
Living in the Alps I have seen so many of these. I always prefer to stick to riding on the snow, rather then flying.

savrajsingh 5y ago

How/where did you get training?

yurishimo 5y ago
You can find a club in most large cities. In the US at least, the biggest problem is getting far enough away from the city so you don't become a hazard to commercial plane traffic. I live in the DFW metroplex, and you have to drive almost 100 miles out of the city to take-off and then you're pretty limited on where you can fly due to the abundance of small airports nearby. There are maps available that show what kind of airspace is around you. I forget the specifics as it's a been a few years since I looked into it, but there are different designations for what/who is allowed to fly where and paramotors are very low on the totem pole in terms of priority and access allotments.
pqdbr 5y ago
Just google for paramotor training, there are many schools in the US. I suggest get training near the place you plan to do most of your flying, because flying at the beach with constant, laminar, mid-strong winds is very different than flying at the countryside with bumpy and low-mid winds. If in doubt, learn to fly near the beach. The views are amazing :)

wnolens 5y ago

It's such beautifully "simple" system that makes so much sense. I love it. lol @ bajillion dollar R&D jetpack with ai controlled thrust vectoring

GuardianCaveman 5y ago

What is a good entry level kit? I know nothing and this sounds amazing.

pqdbr 5y ago
I'm giving you some pointers below but the best thing is to get proper training from an instructor. Helping you choose the right equipment for you is a big part of it. Your equipment has 3 main components: your engine (check out Vitorazzi, their "Moster 185" is definitely the most popular engine in the world), your cage (check out Parajet https://parajet.com/ https://parajet.com/ - they have some cages already assembled with the Moster 185) and your wing (I fly Ozone - https://www.flyozone.com/paramotor/ https://www.flyozone.com/paramotor/).

hffftz 5y ago

awqrre 5y ago

> Nobody cares because we have something better. It’s called paramotoring. It is still very bad if you want to use it for something useful and not just entertainment... It is very susceptible to malfunction when it is a bit windy...

DamnGirl 5y ago

no much better when you can't use it when it is windy....