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> You're gonna have to back those bold claims up, otherwise what's stopping us from claiming that you are the culprit and should be gulag'd? There are six in h

> You're gonna have to back those bold claims up, otherwise what's stopping us from claiming that you are the culprit and should be gulag'd? There are six in here: https://www.insider.com/joe-rogan-podcast-episodes-that-spread-covid-misinformation-2022-1 https://www.insider.com/joe-rogan-podcast-episodes-that-spre... Further support of the first in that list: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rogan-dont-need-to-worry-vaccine/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/rogan-dont-need-to-worry-v... Further support of the fifth: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/aug/31/joe-rogan/joe-rogan-falsely-says-mrna-vaccines-are-gene-ther/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/aug/31/joe-rogan/... A separate 7th item: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/26/joe-rogan/spotifys-joe-rogan-repeats-inaccurate-claim-they-a/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/jul/26/joe-rogan/...

prohobo 5y ago
I said to explain how this is misinformation and dangerous, not show me episodes you don't like.
- eganist 5y ago
  > I said to explain how this is misinformation and dangerous, not show me episodes you don't like. prohobo, you may wish to read the links for concrete answers to your request. The how is answered very directly, especially considering the bottom three links are all fact-checking sites that explain the how and the why. But if you don't care to, we can move on.
  - prohobo 5y ago
    I've read the articles: none of them explain how this is dangerous, and none of them have a compelling case that Joe Rogan or his guests intentionally lie to their audience. What they do is make arguments against their points, many of which aren't verifiable or are just opinions. I'm all for removing things that are empirically and logically "dangerous misinformation", but we have to actually prove it empirically and logically first. Can you do that?
    - jamienicol 5y ago
      Rogan doesn't have to be intentionally lying to his audience for it to be dangerous misinformation
      - naasking 5y ago
        There is no evidence that Rogan's opinions are either dangerous, or considered "information" by most people. Beware overusing this term or it will lose all meaning.
      - holbrad 5y ago
        Intentionality is required for something to be misinformation.
        jamienicol 5y ago
        misinformation: incorrect or misleading information https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misinformation https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misinformation
WithinReason 5y ago
On a quick glance at the 1st one: Joe says "healthy young people" don't need the vaccine, but the claim debunked is "young people" don't need the vaccine. Why can't they address what he actually said?
- naasking 5y ago
  They can't address what he actually said for the same reason anyone likes to refute a strawman argument instead of addressing the real argument. I think the officials are so afraid that any discussion of nuance [1] would frighten people away from the vaccines that they simply avoid talking about it entirely, and sometimes call to outright suppress any such discussions as "misinformation" and label these people as "anti-vaxx". [1] https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-stratified?justPublished=true https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myoca...
- yokoprime 5y ago
  His claim is still wrong. https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/im-a-healthy-young-person-why-should-i-get-a-covid-vaccine https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/im-a-healthy-young-person-...

prohobo 5y ago

I said to explain how this is misinformation and dangerous, not show me episodes you don't like.

eganist 5y ago
> I said to explain how this is misinformation and dangerous, not show me episodes you don't like. prohobo, you may wish to read the links for concrete answers to your request. The how is answered very directly, especially considering the bottom three links are all fact-checking sites that explain the how and the why. But if you don't care to, we can move on.
- prohobo 5y ago
  I've read the articles: none of them explain how this is dangerous, and none of them have a compelling case that Joe Rogan or his guests intentionally lie to their audience. What they do is make arguments against their points, many of which aren't verifiable or are just opinions. I'm all for removing things that are empirically and logically "dangerous misinformation", but we have to actually prove it empirically and logically first. Can you do that?
  - jamienicol 5y ago
    Rogan doesn't have to be intentionally lying to his audience for it to be dangerous misinformation
    - naasking 5y ago
      There is no evidence that Rogan's opinions are either dangerous, or considered "information" by most people. Beware overusing this term or it will lose all meaning.
    - holbrad 5y ago
      Intentionality is required for something to be misinformation.
      - jamienicol 5y ago
        misinformation: incorrect or misleading information https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misinformation https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/misinformation

WithinReason 5y ago

On a quick glance at the 1st one: Joe says "healthy young people" don't need the vaccine, but the claim debunked is "young people" don't need the vaccine. Why can't they address what he actually said?

naasking 5y ago
They can't address what he actually said for the same reason anyone likes to refute a strawman argument instead of addressing the real argument. I think the officials are so afraid that any discussion of nuance [1] would frighten people away from the vaccines that they simply avoid talking about it entirely, and sometimes call to outright suppress any such discussions as "misinformation" and label these people as "anti-vaxx". [1] https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myocarditis-stratified?justPublished=true https://vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com/p/uk-now-reports-myoca...
yokoprime 5y ago
His claim is still wrong. https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/im-a-healthy-young-person-why-should-i-get-a-covid-vaccine https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/im-a-healthy-young-person-...