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Joe Rogan is mainstream media. He’s not some “rando” sticking it to the man. He’s not some guy with a mic and a laptop recording a show and putting it online. H

Joe Rogan is mainstream media. He’s not some “rando” sticking it to the man. He’s not some guy with a mic and a laptop recording a show and putting it online. He was famous before he started podcasting and he’s getting paid millions of dollars by a corporation to speak exclusively on their platform. The true con in all of this is that Joe Rogan has managed to convince so many people he’s just like them. He’s horoscopes and crystals for people who think they’re intellectuals.

jeegsy 5y ago
> He’s horoscopes and crystals for people who think they’re intellectuals. I quite disagree. But say thats true, so what? Whether he's some rando or not, we should be able to choose who we want to listen to. Shout out to the "muh private company" peeps. I know you're out there
- CiPHPerCoder 5y ago
  I wish Spotify would let us hide his podcast from the front page of their app, at least. I have no interest in his podcast. Let me remove it.
  - criddell 5y ago
    I wish I could hide the entire category. I don't listen to podcasts on Spotify because I don't like what they are trying to do to the medium.
ramblerman 5y ago
Going after the listeners' intelligence is petty and arrogant. I frequently get annoyed at Joe and as an interviewer I think he got worse over time (perhaps ego). But I respect immensely that - He stands for free speech and freedom of the arts. And has always done so consistently. - He still comes out often to admit he is wrong or just an idiot on some topic. - He has never called for the censorship of anyone else, in stark contrast to figures like Don Lemon, Rachel Maddow. - Finally, he has on a variety of guests, his interview with Bernie Sanders was great, and the first time I understood more nuanced ideas of his politics.
- acdha 5y ago
  > Going after the listeners' intelligence is petty and arrogant. I read that differently: it’s not raw intelligence but the self-image of being an intellectual without actually doing the homework — like the people who have various hot takes based on some post they read who then start doing the “mainstream science is wrong about …” dance with the voice of authority but no actual understanding of the field. We’ve seen that a lot during the pandemic with various claims about things like HCQ, Ivermectin, vitamin D, etc. where people would a strong position that something worked but really had no expertise in the field to assess those claims. Rogan is dangerous because he’s an entertainer who needs controversy to sell hundreds of millions of dollars in viewership but a lot of his audience think he’s giving them something more than that.
  - nailer 5y ago
    - acdha 5y ago
      It’s not mandatory in Japan. What’s working there is basic public health principles applied diligently and vaccination: https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/scicheck-japan-continues-to-use-vaccines-not-ivermectin-to-fight-covid-19/ https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/scicheck-japan-continues-t...
      - nailer 5y ago
        acdha 5y ago
        If you read it, you’d learn otherwise. Far from being required, it’s not even approved! Here’s another article highlighting that the Japanese government is concerned about people mail-ordering it because it’s unapproved: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/12/21/national/ivermectin-japan-covid19-little-evidence/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/12/21/national/iverme... So … care to provide a source for any of your claims? If it’s mandatory, I’m sure it would be easy to point to the official government protocols.
newsclues 5y ago
Was Donald Trump a mainstream politician? He was president!
- acdha 5y ago
  Yes - he wasn’t just some fluke but had near-unanimous support from both elected Republicans and the most important right-wing media sources like Fox. Rogan isn’t that mainstream but he’s influential enough that you can tell what he’s covered recently by all of the people talking about it. Whatever he used to be, he’s mainstream now.
  - naasking 5y ago
    > Yes - he wasn’t just some fluke but had near-unanimous support from both elected Republicans and the most important right-wing media sources like Fox. Not at first he didn't.
    - acdha 5y ago
      That depends on how far back you go. 2005, sure, but by the time he was running he was pretty much in tune with the tone on Fox; most of the remaining moderate Republicans were purged as part of the post-9/11 turn towards previously extreme positions. A lot of the shock came from people who didn’t follow the right-wing media that closely and hadn’t realized how normalized those positions had become.
      - j0ba 5y ago
        I take it you were watching a lot of fox news back then? Or is that just what you "heard"? Because I was watching Fox news back then, and you are absolutely incorrect.
        naasking 5y ago
        That's my recollection as well. I didn't watch FOX or anything conservative really, but the highlights that I sometimes came across were all pushing Bush and maybe a couple of other candidates here and there.
boffinAudio 5y ago
Why do you consider him mainstream, because he has a million+ viewers? >He’s horoscopes and crystals for people who think they’re intellectuals. In all honesty, I think you're proving the point that online hatred needs to be curbed before it becomes overwhelmingly destructive to society. Who are these people who so obviously wrongly think of themselves as intellectuals, in your mind, when they really are nothing of the sort? ALL of Joe Rogans listeners, or just the ones opposed to government-enforced medical procedures? > The true con in all of this is .. .. is that its possible to espouse hatred (calling Joe Rogan a con, people 'think they are intellectuals', etc.) for an out-group and not be called to task over the reasoning behind that hatred. Do you hate Joe Rogan because he's mainstream, or because he espouses a view that is not mainstream while appearing to be a mainstream media personality? How is it possible to hold both positions? Personally, I am not pro-Joe Rogan, I enjoy his podcasts but don't agree with his personality and find his views on some things utterly intolerable, but I am anti-hate speech, which we have seen has allowed the commitment and further justification of so many actual crimes in Americas' socio-political environment recently. Surely there comes a time in every American's mind where they need to balance the strength of their states freedom-granting instruments (the Bill of Rights) with their desire to tone-police the cultures they don't like into oblivion... isn't this how the Iraq/Afghanistan/Libya/Syria/Yemen mess got started in the first place - Americans deciding they don't like the voices of some out-group?
- sascha_sl 5y ago
  >Do you hate Joe Rogan because he's mainstream, or because he espouses a view that is not mainstream while appearing to be a mainstream media personality It's that he is mainstream and provably wrong most of the times he opens his mouth, and barely any opposition is ever allowed onto the podcast. It is an actual example of an "ideological echo chamber", unlike most of the times a conservative proclaims it.
  - boffinAudio 5y ago
    Mainstream media is quite often provably wrong too, but yet not held up to the same standards (unless you're 'a conservative' with a "cancel CNN!" t-shirt) .. so when they come for Joe Rogan, and you say nothing, who will be there to protect you when they come for CNN/MSNBC/NYT? Essentially, you are saying you despise Joe Rogan because he's mainstream, pretending not to be, and mis-informing, while also pretending not to .. so does this begin a new era in the American socio-political landscape where news is no longer going to be used to propagandize an entire country, and 'mainstream media' is going to be held to much, much higher levels of truthful standards than ever before? Because its going to be great to see the disinformation inherent in the modern American media landscape be replaced with actual truth-telling. Like, a lot of us who don't live in that bubble are going to be very relieved to see the truth being told, for a change, about such things as Ukraine, Yemen, and so on .. Or do we only care about Joe Rogan because he impacts the lives of fellow American citizens?
yessirwhatever 5y ago
> He’s not some “rando” sticking it to the man. He’s not some guy with a mic and a laptop recording a show and putting it online. That's the point. He's not a rando anymore but he absolutely was (at least as a talkshow host). Joe was indeed "some guy with a mic and a laptop recording the show" as you describe (here, check the first episode https://www.facebook.com/JoeRoganClips/videos/the-very-first-episode-of-the-joe-rogan-experience/2739745166111567/ https://www.facebook.com/JoeRoganClips/videos/the-very-first..., sorry for FB link, but I can't find it anywhere anymore). > he’s getting paid millions of dollars by a corporation to speak exclusively on their platform He may be getting paid a lot for his show by Spotify, but he's no corporate media. From what I see he's still as genuine as he was before the exclusive deal. Joe has a family and he made it big, which pissed off the "we tell the population what to believe" crowd. > He’s horoscopes and crystals for people who think they’re intellectuals. What this tells me is that you haven't listened to that show at all. You couldn't be more wrong on this, it's pretty much as far away from that type of BS as it can get. Mainstream media is at this point the horoscope/crystal people.
- Mindwipe 5y ago
  > He may be getting paid a lot for his show by Spotify, but he's no corporate media. It is really very hard to think of a more exact description of "corporate media" than a media that gets funded by the payment of hundreds of millions of dollars by a corporation for the rights. He is literally corporate media.
  - RickHull 5y ago
    I think what people mean by corporate media is media which serves corporate interests. As in, fluffing up Big Tech or Big Oil or Big Pharma. Any media organization with employees is necessarily a corporation, right? So by your definition, all media is corporate media, tautologically.
- ohgodplsno 5y ago
  Joe Rogan has _never_ been a rando. He started off as a massively popular MMA commentator. Anyone that's followed fighting sports any time between the 90s and 2010 has a giant chance of having heard him. Don't prop him up as a self-made man who rose up from nowhere.
loudtieblahblah 5y ago
No one is listening to him bc he was on Fear Factor.
breakbread 5y ago
He is mainstream media to the extent of the mainstream media's obsession with covering him.
5350-uiop-1130 5y ago
"intellectuals"? his audience is mostly dudebros.

jeegsy 5y ago

> He’s horoscopes and crystals for people who think they’re intellectuals. I quite disagree. But say thats true, so what? Whether he's some rando or not, we should be able to choose who we want to listen to. Shout out to the "muh private company" peeps. I know you're out there

CiPHPerCoder 5y ago
I wish Spotify would let us hide his podcast from the front page of their app, at least. I have no interest in his podcast. Let me remove it.
- criddell 5y ago
  I wish I could hide the entire category. I don't listen to podcasts on Spotify because I don't like what they are trying to do to the medium.

ramblerman 5y ago

Going after the listeners' intelligence is petty and arrogant. I frequently get annoyed at Joe and as an interviewer I think he got worse over time (perhaps ego). But I respect immensely that - He stands for free speech and freedom of the arts. And has always done so consistently. - He still comes out often to admit he is wrong or just an idiot on some topic. - He has never called for the censorship of anyone else, in stark contrast to figures like Don Lemon, Rachel Maddow. - Finally, he has on a variety of guests, his interview with Bernie Sanders was great, and the first time I understood more nuanced ideas of his politics.

acdha 5y ago
> Going after the listeners' intelligence is petty and arrogant. I read that differently: it’s not raw intelligence but the self-image of being an intellectual without actually doing the homework — like the people who have various hot takes based on some post they read who then start doing the “mainstream science is wrong about …” dance with the voice of authority but no actual understanding of the field. We’ve seen that a lot during the pandemic with various claims about things like HCQ, Ivermectin, vitamin D, etc. where people would a strong position that something worked but really had no expertise in the field to assess those claims. Rogan is dangerous because he’s an entertainer who needs controversy to sell hundreds of millions of dollars in viewership but a lot of his audience think he’s giving them something more than that.
- nailer 5y ago
  - acdha 5y ago
    It’s not mandatory in Japan. What’s working there is basic public health principles applied diligently and vaccination: https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/scicheck-japan-continues-to-use-vaccines-not-ivermectin-to-fight-covid-19/ https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/scicheck-japan-continues-t...
    - nailer 5y ago
      - acdha 5y ago
        If you read it, you’d learn otherwise. Far from being required, it’s not even approved! Here’s another article highlighting that the Japanese government is concerned about people mail-ordering it because it’s unapproved: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/12/21/national/ivermectin-japan-covid19-little-evidence/ https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2021/12/21/national/iverme... So … care to provide a source for any of your claims? If it’s mandatory, I’m sure it would be easy to point to the official government protocols.

newsclues 5y ago

Was Donald Trump a mainstream politician? He was president!

acdha 5y ago
Yes - he wasn’t just some fluke but had near-unanimous support from both elected Republicans and the most important right-wing media sources like Fox. Rogan isn’t that mainstream but he’s influential enough that you can tell what he’s covered recently by all of the people talking about it. Whatever he used to be, he’s mainstream now.
- naasking 5y ago
  > Yes - he wasn’t just some fluke but had near-unanimous support from both elected Republicans and the most important right-wing media sources like Fox. Not at first he didn't.
  - acdha 5y ago
    That depends on how far back you go. 2005, sure, but by the time he was running he was pretty much in tune with the tone on Fox; most of the remaining moderate Republicans were purged as part of the post-9/11 turn towards previously extreme positions. A lot of the shock came from people who didn’t follow the right-wing media that closely and hadn’t realized how normalized those positions had become.
    - j0ba 5y ago
      I take it you were watching a lot of fox news back then? Or is that just what you "heard"? Because I was watching Fox news back then, and you are absolutely incorrect.
      - naasking 5y ago
        That's my recollection as well. I didn't watch FOX or anything conservative really, but the highlights that I sometimes came across were all pushing Bush and maybe a couple of other candidates here and there.

boffinAudio 5y ago

Why do you consider him mainstream, because he has a million+ viewers? >He’s horoscopes and crystals for people who think they’re intellectuals. In all honesty, I think you're proving the point that online hatred needs to be curbed before it becomes overwhelmingly destructive to society. Who are these people who so obviously wrongly think of themselves as intellectuals, in your mind, when they really are nothing of the sort? ALL of Joe Rogans listeners, or just the ones opposed to government-enforced medical procedures? > The true con in all of this is .. .. is that its possible to espouse hatred (calling Joe Rogan a con, people 'think they are intellectuals', etc.) for an out-group and not be called to task over the reasoning behind that hatred. Do you hate Joe Rogan because he's mainstream, or because he espouses a view that is not mainstream while appearing to be a mainstream media personality? How is it possible to hold both positions? Personally, I am not pro-Joe Rogan, I enjoy his podcasts but don't agree with his personality and find his views on some things utterly intolerable, but I am anti-hate speech, which we have seen has allowed the commitment and further justification of so many actual crimes in Americas' socio-political environment recently. Surely there comes a time in every American's mind where they need to balance the strength of their states freedom-granting instruments (the Bill of Rights) with their desire to tone-police the cultures they don't like into oblivion... isn't this how the Iraq/Afghanistan/Libya/Syria/Yemen mess got started in the first place - Americans deciding they don't like the voices of some out-group?

sascha_sl 5y ago
>Do you hate Joe Rogan because he's mainstream, or because he espouses a view that is not mainstream while appearing to be a mainstream media personality It's that he is mainstream and provably wrong most of the times he opens his mouth, and barely any opposition is ever allowed onto the podcast. It is an actual example of an "ideological echo chamber", unlike most of the times a conservative proclaims it.
- boffinAudio 5y ago
  Mainstream media is quite often provably wrong too, but yet not held up to the same standards (unless you're 'a conservative' with a "cancel CNN!" t-shirt) .. so when they come for Joe Rogan, and you say nothing, who will be there to protect you when they come for CNN/MSNBC/NYT? Essentially, you are saying you despise Joe Rogan because he's mainstream, pretending not to be, and mis-informing, while also pretending not to .. so does this begin a new era in the American socio-political landscape where news is no longer going to be used to propagandize an entire country, and 'mainstream media' is going to be held to much, much higher levels of truthful standards than ever before? Because its going to be great to see the disinformation inherent in the modern American media landscape be replaced with actual truth-telling. Like, a lot of us who don't live in that bubble are going to be very relieved to see the truth being told, for a change, about such things as Ukraine, Yemen, and so on .. Or do we only care about Joe Rogan because he impacts the lives of fellow American citizens?

yessirwhatever 5y ago

> He’s not some “rando” sticking it to the man. He’s not some guy with a mic and a laptop recording a show and putting it online. That's the point. He's not a rando anymore but he absolutely was (at least as a talkshow host). Joe was indeed "some guy with a mic and a laptop recording the show" as you describe (here, check the first episode https://www.facebook.com/JoeRoganClips/videos/the-very-first-episode-of-the-joe-rogan-experience/2739745166111567/ https://www.facebook.com/JoeRoganClips/videos/the-very-first..., sorry for FB link, but I can't find it anywhere anymore). > he’s getting paid millions of dollars by a corporation to speak exclusively on their platform He may be getting paid a lot for his show by Spotify, but he's no corporate media. From what I see he's still as genuine as he was before the exclusive deal. Joe has a family and he made it big, which pissed off the "we tell the population what to believe" crowd. > He’s horoscopes and crystals for people who think they’re intellectuals. What this tells me is that you haven't listened to that show at all. You couldn't be more wrong on this, it's pretty much as far away from that type of BS as it can get. Mainstream media is at this point the horoscope/crystal people.

Mindwipe 5y ago
> He may be getting paid a lot for his show by Spotify, but he's no corporate media. It is really very hard to think of a more exact description of "corporate media" than a media that gets funded by the payment of hundreds of millions of dollars by a corporation for the rights. He is literally corporate media.
- RickHull 5y ago
  I think what people mean by corporate media is media which serves corporate interests. As in, fluffing up Big Tech or Big Oil or Big Pharma. Any media organization with employees is necessarily a corporation, right? So by your definition, all media is corporate media, tautologically.
ohgodplsno 5y ago
Joe Rogan has _never_ been a rando. He started off as a massively popular MMA commentator. Anyone that's followed fighting sports any time between the 90s and 2010 has a giant chance of having heard him. Don't prop him up as a self-made man who rose up from nowhere.

loudtieblahblah 5y ago

No one is listening to him bc he was on Fear Factor.

breakbread 5y ago

He is mainstream media to the extent of the mainstream media's obsession with covering him.

5350-uiop-1130 5y ago

"intellectuals"? his audience is mostly dudebros.