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My take on this this is it has nothing to do with Joe Rogan, Neil Young, or Spotify. The mainstream media push against podcasting is really a fight to hold for

My take on this this is it has nothing to do with Joe Rogan, Neil Young, or Spotify. The mainstream media push against podcasting is really a fight to hold for their power. People who think they have the power to tell people "what's going on" are annoyed that a mere "podcaster" can also do the same nowadays. It's pretty interesting when you start to notice the derogatory tone mainstream-media celebrities use when talking about podcasts. The idea that some rando (in their mind) can just skirt the whole path they suffered through to get where they are, and have enough power to have their say and affect people's mind. People in this group include people like Don Lemon, Chris Cuomo, Matt Lauer, Jake Tapper, etc... Those television journalists have it in their mind that they're the authority, and their authority is being challenged now by the fact that a podcaster is becoming more and more of a big-shot. It's pretty much the same push initially against youtube, social-media, and possibly even the internet, before corporate media managed to find a way to use those tools to their benefit. This also explains the push for monitoring, regulating (aka controlling) what's being said via this medium. Mainstream media is not just TV "journalism", but also the rapidly deteriorating online/print journalism: - https://www.brookings.edu/techstream/the-challenge-of-detecting-misinformation-in-podcasting/ https://www.brookings.edu/techstream/the-challenge-of-detect... - https://theguardian.com/media/2020/dec/12/sinister-sounds-podcasts-are-becoming-the-new-medium-of-misinformation https://theguardian.com/media/2020/dec/12/sinister-sounds-po... - https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/7/22821823/joe-rogan-media-matters-hot-pod-spotify-moderation https://www.theverge.com/2021/12/7/22821823/joe-rogan-media-...

hutzlibu 5y ago
"The mainstream media push against podcasting is really a fight to hold for their power." So Neil Young represents mainstream media? As far as I can tell, this was a personal initiative from Neil Young, so your points against the arrogance of mainstream media people might be legit, but with no connection to this case.
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- dwardu 5y ago
  Well, aren't we all pawns of some narrative, it's something we all cannot deny. Neil believed in mainstream media so he made his move to "defend" the narrative as a tribal instinct. I think Neil should have invited Joe to a podcast to discuss his grievances, rather than just raise an ultimatum. Showing an openness to discussion would have been so much better for his case.
  - hutzlibu 5y ago
    "Showing an openness to discussion " Hell yes - there is way too much fanatism in this whole debate and I am frankly quite disappointed with Neil Young's initiative. This is not rocking the free world for me.
- yessirwhatever 5y ago
  I’m only talking about the narrative around the whole “we need to shut Joe up”. I have no interest or idea in why Neil Young himself thought it’d be a good idea to get himself into this, at least in this manner.
basisword 5y ago
Joe Rogan is mainstream media. He’s not some “rando” sticking it to the man. He’s not some guy with a mic and a laptop recording a show and putting it online. He was famous before he started podcasting and he’s getting paid millions of dollars by a corporation to speak exclusively on their platform. The true con in all of this is that Joe Rogan has managed to convince so many people he’s just like them. He’s horoscopes and crystals for people who think they’re intellectuals.
- jeegsy 5y ago
  > He’s horoscopes and crystals for people who think they’re intellectuals. I quite disagree. But say thats true, so what? Whether he's some rando or not, we should be able to choose who we want to listen to. Shout out to the "muh private company" peeps. I know you're out there
  - CiPHPerCoder 5y ago
    I wish Spotify would let us hide his podcast from the front page of their app, at least. I have no interest in his podcast. Let me remove it.
    - criddell 5y ago
      I wish I could hide the entire category. I don't listen to podcasts on Spotify because I don't like what they are trying to do to the medium.
- ramblerman 5y ago
  Going after the listeners' intelligence is petty and arrogant. I frequently get annoyed at Joe and as an interviewer I think he got worse over time (perhaps ego). But I respect immensely that - He stands for free speech and freedom of the arts. And has always done so consistently. - He still comes out often to admit he is wrong or just an idiot on some topic. - He has never called for the censorship of anyone else, in stark contrast to figures like Don Lemon, Rachel Maddow. - Finally, he has on a variety of guests, his interview with Bernie Sanders was great, and the first time I understood more nuanced ideas of his politics.
throwaway0a5e 5y ago
>It's pretty interesting when you start to notice the derogatory tone mainstream-media celebrities use when talking about podcasts It becomes really obvious when the podcaster is a professional analyst for that subject and doing the podcast as a side gig. They'd have the same type of person saying the same thing as a guest but they're being a whiny jerks because said person isn't on their platform answering their cherry picked questions.
throwawayay02 5y ago
I completely agree. To me the idea that the people in positions of power or authority are principled and really concerned about misinformation - about covid or anything else - is laughable. And that goes for the managers at Spotify, media personalities, celebrities of any kind, etc.
naasking 5y ago
> Those television journalists have it in their mind that they're the authority, and their authority is being challenged now by the fact that a podcaster is becoming more and more of a big-shot. Same thing is happening in print journalism with substack.
teekert 5y ago
Funny, I associate podcasts with deep, meaningful well researched news coverage. A good example are the Jupiter Broadcasting podcasts [0], I have learned so much. And they actively shy away from knee jerking, meaning that if a news worthy event is still young (and it's just shouting on twitter) they will either report very minimally and let it play out while researching further or not report on it for now. I so appreciate this, it just feels so balanced, I just know that if there is drama, I get a nice explanation about what happened in a coupled of days. Also, for the Dutch speaking, Nerdland Maandoverzicht [Nerd land month overview]. Brilliant, in depth with scientists who know their stuff and a lot of humor as well. [1] [0]: https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/ https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/ [1]: https://maandoverzicht.nerdland.be/ https://maandoverzicht.nerdland.be/
totalZero 5y ago
> The idea that some rando (in their mind) can just skirt the whole path they suffered through to get where they are Joe Rogan has been on national television since the '90s. He paid his dues too. That fact is a wrench in the works of your argument, as it applies to this specific dispute.

hutzlibu 5y ago

"The mainstream media push against podcasting is really a fight to hold for their power." So Neil Young represents mainstream media? As far as I can tell, this was a personal initiative from Neil Young, so your points against the arrogance of mainstream media people might be legit, but with no connection to this case.

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dwardu 5y ago
Well, aren't we all pawns of some narrative, it's something we all cannot deny. Neil believed in mainstream media so he made his move to "defend" the narrative as a tribal instinct. I think Neil should have invited Joe to a podcast to discuss his grievances, rather than just raise an ultimatum. Showing an openness to discussion would have been so much better for his case.
- hutzlibu 5y ago
  "Showing an openness to discussion " Hell yes - there is way too much fanatism in this whole debate and I am frankly quite disappointed with Neil Young's initiative. This is not rocking the free world for me.
yessirwhatever 5y ago
I’m only talking about the narrative around the whole “we need to shut Joe up”. I have no interest or idea in why Neil Young himself thought it’d be a good idea to get himself into this, at least in this manner.

basisword 5y ago

Joe Rogan is mainstream media. He’s not some “rando” sticking it to the man. He’s not some guy with a mic and a laptop recording a show and putting it online. He was famous before he started podcasting and he’s getting paid millions of dollars by a corporation to speak exclusively on their platform. The true con in all of this is that Joe Rogan has managed to convince so many people he’s just like them. He’s horoscopes and crystals for people who think they’re intellectuals.

jeegsy 5y ago
> He’s horoscopes and crystals for people who think they’re intellectuals. I quite disagree. But say thats true, so what? Whether he's some rando or not, we should be able to choose who we want to listen to. Shout out to the "muh private company" peeps. I know you're out there
- CiPHPerCoder 5y ago
  I wish Spotify would let us hide his podcast from the front page of their app, at least. I have no interest in his podcast. Let me remove it.
  - criddell 5y ago
    I wish I could hide the entire category. I don't listen to podcasts on Spotify because I don't like what they are trying to do to the medium.
ramblerman 5y ago
Going after the listeners' intelligence is petty and arrogant. I frequently get annoyed at Joe and as an interviewer I think he got worse over time (perhaps ego). But I respect immensely that - He stands for free speech and freedom of the arts. And has always done so consistently. - He still comes out often to admit he is wrong or just an idiot on some topic. - He has never called for the censorship of anyone else, in stark contrast to figures like Don Lemon, Rachel Maddow. - Finally, he has on a variety of guests, his interview with Bernie Sanders was great, and the first time I understood more nuanced ideas of his politics.

throwaway0a5e 5y ago

>It's pretty interesting when you start to notice the derogatory tone mainstream-media celebrities use when talking about podcasts It becomes really obvious when the podcaster is a professional analyst for that subject and doing the podcast as a side gig. They'd have the same type of person saying the same thing as a guest but they're being a whiny jerks because said person isn't on their platform answering their cherry picked questions.

throwawayay02 5y ago

I completely agree. To me the idea that the people in positions of power or authority are principled and really concerned about misinformation - about covid or anything else - is laughable. And that goes for the managers at Spotify, media personalities, celebrities of any kind, etc.

naasking 5y ago

> Those television journalists have it in their mind that they're the authority, and their authority is being challenged now by the fact that a podcaster is becoming more and more of a big-shot. Same thing is happening in print journalism with substack.

teekert 5y ago

Funny, I associate podcasts with deep, meaningful well researched news coverage. A good example are the Jupiter Broadcasting podcasts [0], I have learned so much. And they actively shy away from knee jerking, meaning that if a news worthy event is still young (and it's just shouting on twitter) they will either report very minimally and let it play out while researching further or not report on it for now. I so appreciate this, it just feels so balanced, I just know that if there is drama, I get a nice explanation about what happened in a coupled of days. Also, for the Dutch speaking, Nerdland Maandoverzicht [Nerd land month overview]. Brilliant, in depth with scientists who know their stuff and a lot of humor as well. [1] [0]: https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/ https://www.jupiterbroadcasting.com/ [1]: https://maandoverzicht.nerdland.be/ https://maandoverzicht.nerdland.be/

totalZero 5y ago

> The idea that some rando (in their mind) can just skirt the whole path they suffered through to get where they are Joe Rogan has been on national television since the '90s. He paid his dues too. That fact is a wrench in the works of your argument, as it applies to this specific dispute.