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We shouldn't accept it though and there is a massive double-standard in the treatment of the merit of women who are also sexy and men who are also sexy. We don’

We shouldn't accept it though and there is a massive double-standard in the treatment of the merit of women who are also sexy and men who are also sexy. We don’t question the merit of Ronaldo as a footballer because he also uses his body in a sexy way to advertise for example. Another aspect as well is homogenising around the social mores of America by default which particularly in the aspects of sex and sexuality are deeply troubled.

caskstrength 5y ago
> We shouldn't accept it though and there is a massive double-standard in the treatment of the merit of women who are also sexy and men who are also sexy. We don’t question the merit of Ronaldo as a footballer because he also uses his body in a sexy way to advertise for example. Of course we do! I'm not into football, but several of my friends who are dislike him explicitly because of this.
- meheleventyone 5y ago
  Dislike isn't the same thing as questioning his merit as a footballer though. Especially as he is widely heralded as the being one of the best players of all time. I'd also suggest that disliking Ronaldo because he poses in sexy adverts is also pretty closely aligned with the same cultural issues that lead to dismissing women. And whilst I can definitely agree there will be some men who dismiss Ronaldo's merit as a footballer for being too sexy there is a massive difference in degree when compared to the general treatment of women for the same.
  - jacknews 5y ago
    But Ronaldo became famous for his football, not his sexy body. Everyone knows sex sells, but some people (not only men) get upset when they see people promoting themselves with their own sexuality, especially when it's in an unrelated field. I think Naomi is great, but I can see why some people get upset by the way she presents. I wonder how less attractive maker women feel about her, for example?
    - meheleventyone 5y ago
      People weren’t just upset at how she looks they outright questioned her technical merit because of how she looks. And yes women can have misogynistic views as well which are just as unacceptable.
      - dekhn 5y ago
        I mean, if you look at the base rates of how makers and engineers dress, she's about as far as it can get from the mean. However, if you were at burning man or the DNA lounge, she'd fit right in with a bunch of other hackers and attendees.
      - jacknews 5y ago
        I think they essentially questioned why is she 'famous'; is it because of outstanding technical ability, or because of the way she presents, and unwisely chose to try and disprove her technical ability. The question still stands to some extent though I think. Using 'sex' to sell yourself is accepted in music, film, fashion and so on, but perhaps not in technical fields, and, actually, as I think about it more, I'm starting to agree a little bit.
- fvdessen 5y ago
  Clearly not nearly to the same level since not only Ronaldo's videos are not demonetized, he's in the actual ads !
tsol 5y ago
We shouldn't accept youtube regulating their own content? You're free to protest them but many many creators have had problems with them to no response. I find people in this thread are turning a YouTube issue into a social issue. However you feel about it, it's within the purview of advertisers to not fund content they dislike. Artists have been complaining about that for eternity

caskstrength 5y ago

> We shouldn't accept it though and there is a massive double-standard in the treatment of the merit of women who are also sexy and men who are also sexy. We don’t question the merit of Ronaldo as a footballer because he also uses his body in a sexy way to advertise for example. Of course we do! I'm not into football, but several of my friends who are dislike him explicitly because of this.

meheleventyone 5y ago
Dislike isn't the same thing as questioning his merit as a footballer though. Especially as he is widely heralded as the being one of the best players of all time. I'd also suggest that disliking Ronaldo because he poses in sexy adverts is also pretty closely aligned with the same cultural issues that lead to dismissing women. And whilst I can definitely agree there will be some men who dismiss Ronaldo's merit as a footballer for being too sexy there is a massive difference in degree when compared to the general treatment of women for the same.
- jacknews 5y ago
  But Ronaldo became famous for his football, not his sexy body. Everyone knows sex sells, but some people (not only men) get upset when they see people promoting themselves with their own sexuality, especially when it's in an unrelated field. I think Naomi is great, but I can see why some people get upset by the way she presents. I wonder how less attractive maker women feel about her, for example?
  - meheleventyone 5y ago
    People weren’t just upset at how she looks they outright questioned her technical merit because of how she looks. And yes women can have misogynistic views as well which are just as unacceptable.
    - dekhn 5y ago
      I mean, if you look at the base rates of how makers and engineers dress, she's about as far as it can get from the mean. However, if you were at burning man or the DNA lounge, she'd fit right in with a bunch of other hackers and attendees.
    - jacknews 5y ago
      I think they essentially questioned why is she 'famous'; is it because of outstanding technical ability, or because of the way she presents, and unwisely chose to try and disprove her technical ability. The question still stands to some extent though I think. Using 'sex' to sell yourself is accepted in music, film, fashion and so on, but perhaps not in technical fields, and, actually, as I think about it more, I'm starting to agree a little bit.
fvdessen 5y ago
Clearly not nearly to the same level since not only Ronaldo's videos are not demonetized, he's in the actual ads !

tsol 5y ago

We shouldn't accept youtube regulating their own content? You're free to protest them but many many creators have had problems with them to no response. I find people in this thread are turning a YouTube issue into a social issue. However you feel about it, it's within the purview of advertisers to not fund content they dislike. Artists have been complaining about that for eternity