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The personal attacks and especially acting like dog walking is some lowly profession is just disgusting. Anyone doing anything "ambitious" is only being held up

The personal attacks and especially acting like dog walking is some lowly profession is just disgusting. Anyone doing anything "ambitious" is only being held up by the support of many others making just as meaningful contributions. A dog walker provides a great service to a community that impacts many peoples lives by keeping their companions, which provide emotional support and boost their productivity, healthy and happy. IMHO this is exactly the toxic attitude causing the movement.

robot_no_419 5y ago
If everyone worked 25 hours a week, dog walking would not even exist as a job. Literally anyone can do it as long as they can walk. Let's not pretend it's a noble contribution to society here, it's objectively speaking something a 15 year old teenager can do.
joecot 5y ago
It's not so much that the problem is being a dog walker, it's that she's a dog walker who only works 20-25 hours a week and believes people should work even less. And that her response to Fox News's question about whether they were being lazy was "Laziness is a virtue". This mod made previous posts about how she literally sleeps on the job[1], so this isn't about a noble career choice, it's just about laziness. She was unprepared, wouldn't look at the camera, showed up disheveled, and didn't even make her bed before the interview. Multiple times the mods had polled the community about who should give interviews, and the response was overwhelmingly that no one should. The mods thought they knew better, and this was the result. Essentially the issue here is that the subreddit started years ago not as a discussion of worker rights reforms, but of people wanting to figure out how to work as little as possible, period. The meaning was literally on the tin. As the pandemic wore on redditors joined the sub to complain about their jobs, their burnout, and advocate for worker rights and reforms. But a look at the sub's about section or the sub's mods made it clear those posts weren't what the sub was originally about. And all it took was an interview with the longest standing mod to make that clear. Now the sub is private, and /r/WorkReform will hopefully actually stand for something. 1. https://i.imgur.com/XsHDFFN.jpg https://i.imgur.com/XsHDFFN.jpg
- Datenstrom 5y ago
  Thanks for the missing context I haven't been following the news around this in any detail. Also, I agree it was politically a bad move and she should have expected it and prepared better. Just him mocking aspiring to be a dog walker really revolted me. I deeply appreciate everyone who does things for me so I can be doing other things that interest me no matter what they might be.
  - kova12 5y ago
    walking dogs for living is surely a valid life choice, it's just not a type of career you would expect from leader of a movement.
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    - llampx 5y ago
      As far as I can see, this person didn't act like a leader of the movement at all except by founding the subreddit and deleting the inevitable spam and porn links. Does they have any posts where they is acting like a leader?
      - SauciestGNU 5y ago
        No, but I think that's part of the problem. The movement to abolish or reform work (it's a big tent and I don't agree with everyone or everything about it) is a leaderless movement, but in taking this interview, Doreen set herself up to be perceived as a leader by the movement's enemies (I say "enemies" because the Fox audience is surely hostile to the idea).
    - HWR_14 5y ago
      I'm not sure why it's not a reasonable career for someone leading a movement. Unless/until the movement can pay them to be full time, they have to do something to eat. I would imagine people leading a movement would prioritize a lower number of work hours to distract from that and a flexible schedule. That said, this appears to be a mod of a subreddit, not the leader of a movement.
raxxorrax 5y ago
Agreed. I am almost happy that CS has an increasingly bad reputation because I detest the hype and the impact of parts of the industry. To be honest I smiled a bit at the thought that dog walker is an occupation in the US, but why the heck not. You are right that it is toxic to condemn it. Perhaps it is even jealously of office terrorists. Still, the judgement will come anyway, even if you believe being a dog walker is much better than being a slimy Fox News anchor.

robot_no_419 5y ago

If everyone worked 25 hours a week, dog walking would not even exist as a job. Literally anyone can do it as long as they can walk. Let's not pretend it's a noble contribution to society here, it's objectively speaking something a 15 year old teenager can do.

joecot 5y ago

It's not so much that the problem is being a dog walker, it's that she's a dog walker who only works 20-25 hours a week and believes people should work even less. And that her response to Fox News's question about whether they were being lazy was "Laziness is a virtue". This mod made previous posts about how she literally sleeps on the job[1], so this isn't about a noble career choice, it's just about laziness. She was unprepared, wouldn't look at the camera, showed up disheveled, and didn't even make her bed before the interview. Multiple times the mods had polled the community about who should give interviews, and the response was overwhelmingly that no one should. The mods thought they knew better, and this was the result. Essentially the issue here is that the subreddit started years ago not as a discussion of worker rights reforms, but of people wanting to figure out how to work as little as possible, period. The meaning was literally on the tin. As the pandemic wore on redditors joined the sub to complain about their jobs, their burnout, and advocate for worker rights and reforms. But a look at the sub's about section or the sub's mods made it clear those posts weren't what the sub was originally about. And all it took was an interview with the longest standing mod to make that clear. Now the sub is private, and /r/WorkReform will hopefully actually stand for something. 1. https://i.imgur.com/XsHDFFN.jpg https://i.imgur.com/XsHDFFN.jpg

Datenstrom 5y ago
Thanks for the missing context I haven't been following the news around this in any detail. Also, I agree it was politically a bad move and she should have expected it and prepared better. Just him mocking aspiring to be a dog walker really revolted me. I deeply appreciate everyone who does things for me so I can be doing other things that interest me no matter what they might be.
- kova12 5y ago
  walking dogs for living is surely a valid life choice, it's just not a type of career you would expect from leader of a movement.
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  - llampx 5y ago
    As far as I can see, this person didn't act like a leader of the movement at all except by founding the subreddit and deleting the inevitable spam and porn links. Does they have any posts where they is acting like a leader?
    - SauciestGNU 5y ago
      No, but I think that's part of the problem. The movement to abolish or reform work (it's a big tent and I don't agree with everyone or everything about it) is a leaderless movement, but in taking this interview, Doreen set herself up to be perceived as a leader by the movement's enemies (I say "enemies" because the Fox audience is surely hostile to the idea).
  - HWR_14 5y ago
    I'm not sure why it's not a reasonable career for someone leading a movement. Unless/until the movement can pay them to be full time, they have to do something to eat. I would imagine people leading a movement would prioritize a lower number of work hours to distract from that and a flexible schedule. That said, this appears to be a mod of a subreddit, not the leader of a movement.

raxxorrax 5y ago

Agreed. I am almost happy that CS has an increasingly bad reputation because I detest the hype and the impact of parts of the industry. To be honest I smiled a bit at the thought that dog walker is an occupation in the US, but why the heck not. You are right that it is toxic to condemn it. Perhaps it is even jealously of office terrorists. Still, the judgement will come anyway, even if you believe being a dog walker is much better than being a slimy Fox News anchor.