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With RTX 3080 Ti though. So yeah - I don't think it can match Apple M1 efficiency but reviews of P-series and U-series Alder Lake mobile CPUs are going to be in

With RTX 3080 Ti though. So yeah - I don't think it can match Apple M1 efficiency but reviews of P-series and U-series Alder Lake mobile CPUs are going to be interesting and what I am looking forward to.

RandomBK 5y ago
That's fair, I missed that. In that case it sounds like the comparison itself was flawed by comparing two devices in such different perf envelopes. Nevertheless, it's not a great first showing.
- MBCook 5y ago
  It’s an attempt to show top of the line CPU performance. To get that you need a very power hungry setup on the Intel side and they only win by single digit percentages. Intel’s lower power chips may be able to match/beat the M1 range’s power draw, but one would assume they can’t keep up that level of performance while doing it. Apple seems to have the best of both worlds at the moment. It can perform very well or go really low peer with a single chip.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    It honestly depends on the benchmarks you're using. Dave2D posted multicore Cinebench scores[0] the other day that compared M1 Max to this same laptop, and it was really a blowout. Apple's foiree into ARM has been going better than it could have gone, but recommending an ARM chip still comes with several asterisks, which make it kinda hard to recommend for people who don't make a living out of reading/writing words on a screen and highly specific creative work that may-or-may-not benefit from the architecture of the chip. Regardless, they've got their work cut out for them, and it should be interesting to see how Apple responds. [0] https://youtu.be/VHUF8A2vpos?t=423 https://youtu.be/VHUF8A2vpos?t=423
jagger27 5y ago
> During the Cinebench R23 multi-core test, the Alder Lake laptop was consistently in the 100-watt range, with spikes between 130 and 140 watts. We haven’t tested the power draw of the M1 Pro/Max ourselves, but AnandTech did using Cinebench R23 and found that the M1 Max’s power draw was 39.7 watts versus over 100 for the 11th-gen MSI GE76 Raider. Cinebench is a pure CPU test though, so I feel the comparison is more or less apples-to-apples.
- gnufied 5y ago
  I was talking about video playback tests. Unless they disabled discrete GPUs during the test,a laptop using 3080Ti for video playback is not going to be efficient.
  - MBCook 5y ago
    This article is about the Intel comparison but isn’t that one Nvidia’s fault? We all know GPUs burn watts when being heavily used. But when a laptop GPU is just showing a video shouldn’t it be able to scale down pretty far? If I’m just surfing the web or working in Word I wouldn’t want my laptop GPU using 15-20 watts. Surely it can get down to like 2 watts right? Or less?
    - na85 5y ago
      2 watts total? I doubt it. The display is a major drain. I went down this rabbit hole years ago and on a 2012-vintage X220 with an i7 I could get it down to just under 6W with the display on minimum brightness, the wifi and Bluetooth off, and a host of configuration options including but not limited to what's available through Powertop and TLP. I'm sure it's better than 5W and change nowadays but the display is by far the biggest draw and I don't think you'll get down to 2W.
      - MBCook 5y ago
        Oh, I meant GPU only. Sorry. Yeah a well lit display can be a huge drain, but of course I can control that. I would hope WiFi/BT don’t use much relative to CPU/display, but I can’t claim to know.

RandomBK 5y ago

That's fair, I missed that. In that case it sounds like the comparison itself was flawed by comparing two devices in such different perf envelopes. Nevertheless, it's not a great first showing.

MBCook 5y ago
It’s an attempt to show top of the line CPU performance. To get that you need a very power hungry setup on the Intel side and they only win by single digit percentages. Intel’s lower power chips may be able to match/beat the M1 range’s power draw, but one would assume they can’t keep up that level of performance while doing it. Apple seems to have the best of both worlds at the moment. It can perform very well or go really low peer with a single chip.
- smoldesu 5y ago
  It honestly depends on the benchmarks you're using. Dave2D posted multicore Cinebench scores[0] the other day that compared M1 Max to this same laptop, and it was really a blowout. Apple's foiree into ARM has been going better than it could have gone, but recommending an ARM chip still comes with several asterisks, which make it kinda hard to recommend for people who don't make a living out of reading/writing words on a screen and highly specific creative work that may-or-may-not benefit from the architecture of the chip. Regardless, they've got their work cut out for them, and it should be interesting to see how Apple responds. [0] https://youtu.be/VHUF8A2vpos?t=423 https://youtu.be/VHUF8A2vpos?t=423

jagger27 5y ago

> During the Cinebench R23 multi-core test, the Alder Lake laptop was consistently in the 100-watt range, with spikes between 130 and 140 watts. We haven’t tested the power draw of the M1 Pro/Max ourselves, but AnandTech did using Cinebench R23 and found that the M1 Max’s power draw was 39.7 watts versus over 100 for the 11th-gen MSI GE76 Raider. Cinebench is a pure CPU test though, so I feel the comparison is more or less apples-to-apples.

gnufied 5y ago
I was talking about video playback tests. Unless they disabled discrete GPUs during the test,a laptop using 3080Ti for video playback is not going to be efficient.
- MBCook 5y ago
  This article is about the Intel comparison but isn’t that one Nvidia’s fault? We all know GPUs burn watts when being heavily used. But when a laptop GPU is just showing a video shouldn’t it be able to scale down pretty far? If I’m just surfing the web or working in Word I wouldn’t want my laptop GPU using 15-20 watts. Surely it can get down to like 2 watts right? Or less?
  - na85 5y ago
    2 watts total? I doubt it. The display is a major drain. I went down this rabbit hole years ago and on a 2012-vintage X220 with an i7 I could get it down to just under 6W with the display on minimum brightness, the wifi and Bluetooth off, and a host of configuration options including but not limited to what's available through Powertop and TLP. I'm sure it's better than 5W and change nowadays but the display is by far the biggest draw and I don't think you'll get down to 2W.
    - MBCook 5y ago
      Oh, I meant GPU only. Sorry. Yeah a well lit display can be a huge drain, but of course I can control that. I would hope WiFi/BT don’t use much relative to CPU/display, but I can’t claim to know.