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> During the Cinebench R23 multi-core test, the Alder Lake laptop was consistently in the 100-watt range, [...] M1 Max’s power draw was 39.7 watts Ouch. > MSI

> During the Cinebench R23 multi-core test, the Alder Lake laptop was consistently in the 100-watt range, [...] M1 Max’s power draw was 39.7 watts Ouch. > MSI GE76 Raider got 6 hours of offline video playback, a far cry from the MacBook Pro’s 17 hours. Double ouch. That's a huge gap, and 6 is low even in absolute terms. It's still a nice beefy chip, but still a far cry from the engineering marvel that Apple pulled off with the M1

_joel 5y ago
About twice the price too.
friedman23 5y ago
100 watts, so basically I have no reason to use this over a desktop. The battery life on the m1 macbooks is a game changer. I don't need more power out of my laptop I need it to be cool to the touch and last at least 9 hours with normal usage.
- philistine 5y ago
  With those laptops, we're back to the days of the luggables. It's a desktop you can carry, with some caveats in terms of performance related to the choice of parts. Apple is truly playing a different game.
  - theshrike79 5y ago
    Apple in-housing their chip design was a brilliant move. The A-series processors were a good indication what was coming up, but still the M1 blew me away. Still waiting to see what they'll do with Mac Pro + M-series. Do they go for a M2 or just slap a dozen M1s in parallel =)
gnufied 5y ago
With RTX 3080 Ti though. So yeah - I don't think it can match Apple M1 efficiency but reviews of P-series and U-series Alder Lake mobile CPUs are going to be interesting and what I am looking forward to.
- RandomBK 5y ago
  That's fair, I missed that. In that case it sounds like the comparison itself was flawed by comparing two devices in such different perf envelopes. Nevertheless, it's not a great first showing.
  - MBCook 5y ago
    It’s an attempt to show top of the line CPU performance. To get that you need a very power hungry setup on the Intel side and they only win by single digit percentages. Intel’s lower power chips may be able to match/beat the M1 range’s power draw, but one would assume they can’t keep up that level of performance while doing it. Apple seems to have the best of both worlds at the moment. It can perform very well or go really low peer with a single chip.
    - smoldesu 5y ago
      It honestly depends on the benchmarks you're using. Dave2D posted multicore Cinebench scores[0] the other day that compared M1 Max to this same laptop, and it was really a blowout. Apple's foiree into ARM has been going better than it could have gone, but recommending an ARM chip still comes with several asterisks, which make it kinda hard to recommend for people who don't make a living out of reading/writing words on a screen and highly specific creative work that may-or-may-not benefit from the architecture of the chip. Regardless, they've got their work cut out for them, and it should be interesting to see how Apple responds. [0] https://youtu.be/VHUF8A2vpos?t=423 https://youtu.be/VHUF8A2vpos?t=423
- jagger27 5y ago
  > During the Cinebench R23 multi-core test, the Alder Lake laptop was consistently in the 100-watt range, with spikes between 130 and 140 watts. We haven’t tested the power draw of the M1 Pro/Max ourselves, but AnandTech did using Cinebench R23 and found that the M1 Max’s power draw was 39.7 watts versus over 100 for the 11th-gen MSI GE76 Raider. Cinebench is a pure CPU test though, so I feel the comparison is more or less apples-to-apples.
mycall 5y ago
The MSI GE76 Raider's 3080TI is nothing Apple can match, so there are factors than other just wattage and battery life.
- MBCook 5y ago
  You’re right. It was what, 2x what the M1 Mac did? If you need GPU you can’t get it on the Mac side. On the other hand it’s needed. The Intel integrated GPU was 1/2 what the M1 Max did. Apple could theoretically add a discrete GPU too, but they won’t.
ajross 5y ago
> Double ouch. That's a huge gap [6 vs. 17 hours of "offline video playback"], and 6 is low even in absolute terms. That test is measuring backlight consumption, not SOC efficiency. It's a huge display tuned for gaming vs. Apple's famous system power optimization on a panel about half the size. All CPUs on both systems are effectively at idle here, it says nothing beyond the fact that MSI isn't going to (or capable of, frankly) spend their time optimizing idle power draw on a gaming rig.

_joel 5y ago

About twice the price too.

friedman23 5y ago

100 watts, so basically I have no reason to use this over a desktop. The battery life on the m1 macbooks is a game changer. I don't need more power out of my laptop I need it to be cool to the touch and last at least 9 hours with normal usage.

philistine 5y ago
With those laptops, we're back to the days of the luggables. It's a desktop you can carry, with some caveats in terms of performance related to the choice of parts. Apple is truly playing a different game.
- theshrike79 5y ago
  Apple in-housing their chip design was a brilliant move. The A-series processors were a good indication what was coming up, but still the M1 blew me away. Still waiting to see what they'll do with Mac Pro + M-series. Do they go for a M2 or just slap a dozen M1s in parallel =)

gnufied 5y ago

With RTX 3080 Ti though. So yeah - I don't think it can match Apple M1 efficiency but reviews of P-series and U-series Alder Lake mobile CPUs are going to be interesting and what I am looking forward to.

RandomBK 5y ago
That's fair, I missed that. In that case it sounds like the comparison itself was flawed by comparing two devices in such different perf envelopes. Nevertheless, it's not a great first showing.
- MBCook 5y ago
  It’s an attempt to show top of the line CPU performance. To get that you need a very power hungry setup on the Intel side and they only win by single digit percentages. Intel’s lower power chips may be able to match/beat the M1 range’s power draw, but one would assume they can’t keep up that level of performance while doing it. Apple seems to have the best of both worlds at the moment. It can perform very well or go really low peer with a single chip.
  - smoldesu 5y ago
    It honestly depends on the benchmarks you're using. Dave2D posted multicore Cinebench scores[0] the other day that compared M1 Max to this same laptop, and it was really a blowout. Apple's foiree into ARM has been going better than it could have gone, but recommending an ARM chip still comes with several asterisks, which make it kinda hard to recommend for people who don't make a living out of reading/writing words on a screen and highly specific creative work that may-or-may-not benefit from the architecture of the chip. Regardless, they've got their work cut out for them, and it should be interesting to see how Apple responds. [0] https://youtu.be/VHUF8A2vpos?t=423 https://youtu.be/VHUF8A2vpos?t=423
jagger27 5y ago
> During the Cinebench R23 multi-core test, the Alder Lake laptop was consistently in the 100-watt range, with spikes between 130 and 140 watts. We haven’t tested the power draw of the M1 Pro/Max ourselves, but AnandTech did using Cinebench R23 and found that the M1 Max’s power draw was 39.7 watts versus over 100 for the 11th-gen MSI GE76 Raider. Cinebench is a pure CPU test though, so I feel the comparison is more or less apples-to-apples.

mycall 5y ago

The MSI GE76 Raider's 3080TI is nothing Apple can match, so there are factors than other just wattage and battery life.

MBCook 5y ago
You’re right. It was what, 2x what the M1 Mac did? If you need GPU you can’t get it on the Mac side. On the other hand it’s needed. The Intel integrated GPU was 1/2 what the M1 Max did. Apple could theoretically add a discrete GPU too, but they won’t.

ajross 5y ago

> Double ouch. That's a huge gap [6 vs. 17 hours of "offline video playback"], and 6 is low even in absolute terms. That test is measuring backlight consumption, not SOC efficiency. It's a huge display tuned for gaming vs. Apple's famous system power optimization on a panel about half the size. All CPUs on both systems are effectively at idle here, it says nothing beyond the fact that MSI isn't going to (or capable of, frankly) spend their time optimizing idle power draw on a gaming rig.