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> I don't understand what motivates a move like this. Neil Young was saved from Polio as a child by being one of the early recipients of the Salk vaccine. As s

> I don't understand what motivates a move like this. Neil Young was saved from Polio as a child by being one of the early recipients of the Salk vaccine. As someone who is living proof of the effectiveness of vaccines, he likely has very little patience for people who profit off of spreading vaccine misinformation and put his own profits on the line to make the statement. Good for him.

vaxskeptic 5y ago
josephcsible 5y ago
If breakthrough COVID cases were as rare as breakthrough polio cases, then there'd be a lot less opposition to the COVID vaccine.
- cuteboy19 5y ago
  It is not productive to see antivaxxers as rational actors. They are concerned about vaccine breakthrough cases but have no issue ingesting ivermectin, vitamin D or hydroxyquinone? Even if there was something wrong about mRNA vaccines would it not have been better to campaign for Covaxin or Sputnik to be allowed by the FDA?
- mint2 5y ago
  Okay that comment is going to be awkward for you to digest in a moment. I think you should know that one of the main polio vaccines doesn’t actually prevent you from getting polio, you still get it and can spread it it just doesn’t paralyze you. And that’s the Salk vaccine, the other vaccine is literally giving people a weakened stain of polio. And it actually causes some paralysis in about 3 in every million so that vaccine isn’t perfect.
  - 1123581321 5y ago
    It was clear from context he was referring to rates of polio-induced paralysis, in an analogous theoretical scenario that doesn’t quite fit the actual history. Your comment was interesting, though. I did some additional reading about the history of those vaccines.
    - mint2 5y ago
      The cdc’s definition of a breakthrough Covid case does not need symptoms. So no that’s not clear.
      - josephcsible 5y ago
        Let me clarify: the polio vaccine is effective enough that after getting it, we all get to live our lives exactly the same way we would if polio didn't exist. You don't have to show proof of polio vaccination to keep your job or go in public places, and you don't have to take any other precautions to protect against polio.
        mint2 5y ago
        Differing dynamics of diseases calling for different measures. We could go down a rabbit hole debating moot points. The fact is the original comment as phrased was totally wrong, and we could debate the clarification. Instead let’s just acknowledge that if smallpox were around today and we had a world wide epidemic but we had a vaccine that prevented ill effects in nearly all cases but still allowed transmission, then it’s safe to assume there would be vaccine mandate. That would be different dynamics just like polio. Different dynamic need different responses.
        josephcsible 5y ago
        Never in history has there been such a widespread mandate for such a leaky vaccine. Saying there would be in a counterfactual world isn't a strong argument, especially since the smallpox vaccine was effective enough at stopping transmission that we were able to eradicate the disease.

vaxskeptic 5y ago

josephcsible 5y ago

If breakthrough COVID cases were as rare as breakthrough polio cases, then there'd be a lot less opposition to the COVID vaccine.

cuteboy19 5y ago
It is not productive to see antivaxxers as rational actors. They are concerned about vaccine breakthrough cases but have no issue ingesting ivermectin, vitamin D or hydroxyquinone? Even if there was something wrong about mRNA vaccines would it not have been better to campaign for Covaxin or Sputnik to be allowed by the FDA?
mint2 5y ago
Okay that comment is going to be awkward for you to digest in a moment. I think you should know that one of the main polio vaccines doesn’t actually prevent you from getting polio, you still get it and can spread it it just doesn’t paralyze you. And that’s the Salk vaccine, the other vaccine is literally giving people a weakened stain of polio. And it actually causes some paralysis in about 3 in every million so that vaccine isn’t perfect.
- 1123581321 5y ago
  It was clear from context he was referring to rates of polio-induced paralysis, in an analogous theoretical scenario that doesn’t quite fit the actual history. Your comment was interesting, though. I did some additional reading about the history of those vaccines.
  - mint2 5y ago
    The cdc’s definition of a breakthrough Covid case does not need symptoms. So no that’s not clear.
    - josephcsible 5y ago
      Let me clarify: the polio vaccine is effective enough that after getting it, we all get to live our lives exactly the same way we would if polio didn't exist. You don't have to show proof of polio vaccination to keep your job or go in public places, and you don't have to take any other precautions to protect against polio.
      - mint2 5y ago
        Differing dynamics of diseases calling for different measures. We could go down a rabbit hole debating moot points. The fact is the original comment as phrased was totally wrong, and we could debate the clarification. Instead let’s just acknowledge that if smallpox were around today and we had a world wide epidemic but we had a vaccine that prevented ill effects in nearly all cases but still allowed transmission, then it’s safe to assume there would be vaccine mandate. That would be different dynamics just like polio. Different dynamic need different responses.
        josephcsible 5y ago
        Never in history has there been such a widespread mandate for such a leaky vaccine. Saying there would be in a counterfactual world isn't a strong argument, especially since the smallpox vaccine was effective enough at stopping transmission that we were able to eradicate the disease.