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We never trusted politicians. We never trusted corporate executives. We never trusted lawyers. We used to trust that the large news organisations were somewhat

by harry8 5y ago

We never trusted politicians. We never trusted corporate executives. We never trusted lawyers. We used to trust that the large news organisations were somewhat self-correcting and accountable. The New York Times, Washington post, Wall st Journal, CNN, NBC, CBS, NPR, etc. After the total lack of accountability for Iraq and WMD, for 2 decades of Afghanistan, The Russiagate debacle and you can add a hundred things you've seen clearly yourself to this list. Trusting these news organisations is pathologically insane. They're clearly very happy to fabricate, to repeat and amplify pure propaganda with no evidence as fact and pretend it never happened or we were all in it together as though readers/watchers being duped are the real problem. This is the trust that changed. Lies "for the greater good" have a huge interest rate when the bill comes due. Nobody was ever inclined to really trust Trump, or Clinton or Bush or Obama or Biden any more than Nixon. Why would you? They're politicians. We trusted the limits on their power and the idea that there was corrective feedback on the system somewhere. We used to think we wouldn't be subject to pravda levels of lies from our "diverse" media sources. Maybe we were terribly naive when we thought that. Now we know there are true stories, well reported in the Times and the Journal for example but you can't assume that about any given story, especially if it affects military funding either directly or indirectly. All the WMD pushing assholes appear to be back pushing the next war and again if you think that going to war is not such a great idea given the last few unmitigated disasters you clearly are carrying water for Bin Laden, I mean Saddam, I mean the Taliban, I mean Assad, I mean PUTIN! Trump (damn him) wanted out of Afghanistan like the majority of Americans. Suddenly there's a totally false story, usually fabricated that he's ignoring PUTIN's bounties on US soldiers in Afghanistan to swing public opinion against the steps to get out. Biden (let's go) agrees 100% with Trump and American voters that 20 years and 3 trillion is enough and continues Trump's work and gets out. The tone of reporting changes immediately and his popularity plummets. Nobody "trusted" Biden. Nobody "trusted" Trump. Now many, many more of us from all political persuasions are very suspicious of the negative feedback mechanism to keep them in check because it has been abused so very, very badly. Nothing like providing the raw footage and source documents to de-spin. Anyone doing that is the real focus of censorship.

OrvalWintermute 5y ago
> We never trusted politicians. We never trusted corporate executives. We never trusted lawyers. And we should keep it that way! These individuals objectives are not aligned with those of Joe & Jill Everyman.
- harry8 5y ago
  Nobody ever did, nobody ever will trust such politicians whether you want them to or not. This kind of "trust" is not the point, has not and will not change. There is another kind of trust that has been greatly damaged at considerable cost. The trust of the corrective mechanisms we use to keep the powerful (who we never have nor ever will trust) in check. Starting with every large news source, journalist and pundit who cheered for the Iraq war and WMD to do a full and proper account of how they were used to dupe their readers and what they learned from it. The next war is WMD with the same lying assholes cheering for it. And the one after that. The war machine is simply the most obvious and irrefutable case of it. 20 years and 3 trillion in Afghanistan - lets up the military budget again Joe! Just like Donald did. With zero "how is this paid for?" stories. With zero. "Is this value for money?" stories. With zero resistance to being passed... Note that if the case for ever more military funding is strong, these questions can be asked, answered and debated thoroughly in the media. and by elected officials? So why aren't they?

by harry8 5y ago

OrvalWintermute 5y ago

> We never trusted politicians. We never trusted corporate executives. We never trusted lawyers. And we should keep it that way! These individuals objectives are not aligned with those of Joe & Jill Everyman.

harry8 5y ago
Nobody ever did, nobody ever will trust such politicians whether you want them to or not. This kind of "trust" is not the point, has not and will not change. There is another kind of trust that has been greatly damaged at considerable cost. The trust of the corrective mechanisms we use to keep the powerful (who we never have nor ever will trust) in check. Starting with every large news source, journalist and pundit who cheered for the Iraq war and WMD to do a full and proper account of how they were used to dupe their readers and what they learned from it. The next war is WMD with the same lying assholes cheering for it. And the one after that. The war machine is simply the most obvious and irrefutable case of it. 20 years and 3 trillion in Afghanistan - lets up the military budget again Joe! Just like Donald did. With zero "how is this paid for?" stories. With zero. "Is this value for money?" stories. With zero resistance to being passed... Note that if the case for ever more military funding is strong, these questions can be asked, answered and debated thoroughly in the media. and by elected officials? So why aren't they?