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They may have some details wrong, but do you think their overall impression of the event is wildly inaccurate? There was significant violence perpetrated durin

They may have some details wrong, but do you think their overall impression of the event is wildly inaccurate? There was significant violence perpetrated during that event, even if it didn't result in death. Police officers were beaten. When these mistaken people are corrected and told no one died at the hands of rioters, but 150 police officers sustained injuries some so bad they were still out of work six months later, does their opinion significantly change?

nonethewiser 5y ago
>They may have some details wrong, but do you think their overall impression of the event is wildly inaccurate? The prosecutors do. None are being charged with insurrection nor terrorism, just trespassing and disorderly conduct.
- zimpenfish 5y ago
  > None are being charged with insurrection nor terrorism Haven't 11 Oath Keepers been charged with "seditious conspiracy"[1]? Does that not come under the definition of "insurrection" - "a violent uprising against an authority or government"? [1] "[If] two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States" via https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter115&edition=prelim https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/par...
  - OrvalWintermute 5y ago
    > Haven't 11 Oath Keepers been charged with "seditious conspiracy"[1]? Does that not come under the definition of "insurrection" - "a violent uprising against an authority or government"? How many of these Oath Keeper individuals were directly led into this activity by FBI agents, CIs, "cutouts"/contractors, such as Ray Epps [1] and Stewart Rhodes[2]? It appears that the recent charges of seditious conspiracy were in direct response to Darren Beattie's reporting of the coverup of Epps involvement, and Darren's drumbeat around Stewart Rhodes. This, after Darren uncovered FBI removing Ray Epps from the most-wanted list, hiding his name, and appearing to cover for their relationship with him during senate testimony. [1] https://www.revolver.news/2021/10/meet-ray-epps-the-fed-protected-provocateur-who-appears-to-have-led-the-very-first-1-6-attack-on-the-u-s-capitol/ https://www.revolver.news/2021/10/meet-ray-epps-the-fed-prot... [2] https://www.revolver.news/2021/06/stewart-rhodes-oath-keepers-missing-link-fbi-unindicted-co-conspirator/ https://www.revolver.news/2021/06/stewart-rhodes-oath-keeper...
brandonmenc 5y ago
> They may have some details wrong, but do you think their overall impression of the event is wildly inaccurate? Jan 6th, BLM protests, and the pandemic are all Rorschach tests. Unlike 9/11, the 1992 LA riots, and the Spanish Flu, the more recent events occupy a mushy middle ground of severity - a lot of people can go either way when deciding if they're the worst thing ever or just nuisances. The ambiguity is causing people who feel strongly - in either direction - to lose their minds when they encounter dissenting or even just lackadaisically held positions on these events.
- stjohnswarts 5y ago
  There is no "mushy middle ground" when it comes to a coupe attempt at the capitol building. Sorry but you are simply wrong about this. There is no ambiguity at all in that statement.
  - dash2 5y ago
    Ah, but it wasn’t a coup attempt: https://taibbi.substack.com/p/a-tale-of-two-authoritarians https://taibbi.substack.com/p/a-tale-of-two-authoritarians Maybe you disagree with the linked article and think it really was a coup attempt. Fine, my point is that sensible people can disagree on how serious the Jan six riots were. That doesn’t mean that the first group is trivialising them.
  - brandonmenc 5y ago
    Military participation is required for a coup. Even participants declaring “this is a coup” does not make it by definition a coup.

nonethewiser 5y ago

>They may have some details wrong, but do you think their overall impression of the event is wildly inaccurate? The prosecutors do. None are being charged with insurrection nor terrorism, just trespassing and disorderly conduct.

zimpenfish 5y ago
> None are being charged with insurrection nor terrorism Haven't 11 Oath Keepers been charged with "seditious conspiracy"[1]? Does that not come under the definition of "insurrection" - "a violent uprising against an authority or government"? [1] "[If] two or more persons in any State or Territory, or in any place subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, conspire to overthrow, put down, or to destroy by force the Government of the United States" via https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter115&edition=prelim https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/par...
- OrvalWintermute 5y ago
  > Haven't 11 Oath Keepers been charged with "seditious conspiracy"[1]? Does that not come under the definition of "insurrection" - "a violent uprising against an authority or government"? How many of these Oath Keeper individuals were directly led into this activity by FBI agents, CIs, "cutouts"/contractors, such as Ray Epps [1] and Stewart Rhodes[2]? It appears that the recent charges of seditious conspiracy were in direct response to Darren Beattie's reporting of the coverup of Epps involvement, and Darren's drumbeat around Stewart Rhodes. This, after Darren uncovered FBI removing Ray Epps from the most-wanted list, hiding his name, and appearing to cover for their relationship with him during senate testimony. [1] https://www.revolver.news/2021/10/meet-ray-epps-the-fed-protected-provocateur-who-appears-to-have-led-the-very-first-1-6-attack-on-the-u-s-capitol/ https://www.revolver.news/2021/10/meet-ray-epps-the-fed-prot... [2] https://www.revolver.news/2021/06/stewart-rhodes-oath-keepers-missing-link-fbi-unindicted-co-conspirator/ https://www.revolver.news/2021/06/stewart-rhodes-oath-keeper...

brandonmenc 5y ago

> They may have some details wrong, but do you think their overall impression of the event is wildly inaccurate? Jan 6th, BLM protests, and the pandemic are all Rorschach tests. Unlike 9/11, the 1992 LA riots, and the Spanish Flu, the more recent events occupy a mushy middle ground of severity - a lot of people can go either way when deciding if they're the worst thing ever or just nuisances. The ambiguity is causing people who feel strongly - in either direction - to lose their minds when they encounter dissenting or even just lackadaisically held positions on these events.

stjohnswarts 5y ago
There is no "mushy middle ground" when it comes to a coupe attempt at the capitol building. Sorry but you are simply wrong about this. There is no ambiguity at all in that statement.
- dash2 5y ago
  Ah, but it wasn’t a coup attempt: https://taibbi.substack.com/p/a-tale-of-two-authoritarians https://taibbi.substack.com/p/a-tale-of-two-authoritarians Maybe you disagree with the linked article and think it really was a coup attempt. Fine, my point is that sensible people can disagree on how serious the Jan six riots were. That doesn’t mean that the first group is trivialising them.
- brandonmenc 5y ago
  Military participation is required for a coup. Even participants declaring “this is a coup” does not make it by definition a coup.