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Not sure if you're from Quebec so this wouldn't be news to you, but our healthcare is BAD. Like comically bad. Nurses are routinely forced to do doubles because

by belval 5y ago

Not sure if you're from Quebec so this wouldn't be news to you, but our healthcare is BAD. Like comically bad. Nurses are routinely forced to do doubles because they don't have enough staff, hell we don't even have enough beds either! Because of COVID a lot of non-critical but still pretty important procedures were cancelled for lack of workers. So in that context the government is legitimately scared of it all crashing down so we get these policies. For the more data driven among us here is a chart showing what I mean: https://i.redd.it/l76rbcvkl0e81.jpg https://i.redd.it/l76rbcvkl0e81.jpg (In french but you will probably still understand)

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subsubzero 5y ago
That sounds like a problem with health infrastructure. So because leaders did not put in the needed health infrastructure to serve the population, basic rights(buying food) are violated for some.
- belval 5y ago
  Yes, that's what I wrote. Health infrastructure does not exist in a vacuum and between non-vaccinated having to shop at a regular grocery store and people literally dying because we don't have beds in hospital I'll take the lesser evil. FWIW I agree that after 2 years of the pandemic I see it as a failure of leadership. > Basic rights(buying food) are violated for some Let's not resort to hyperbole here. They can shop at Loblaws/Provigo/IGA/Metro/Maxi/Traditions like most people. They don't have a right to shop at Walmart.
  - hackstack 5y ago
    They can shop at alternatives (if they exist in the specific town in Quebec), for now. It's not really hyperbole, I think. The basic right is at the very least being threatened, if not explicitly violated (yet).
    - belval 5y ago
      Quebec is not like the US in that regard, you won't find a town here that only has a Walmart/Costco. Those are limited to more developed urban centers that have plenty of alternatives.
      - errcorrectcode 5y ago
        In this region, there aren't many food/goods deserts. Even the nowhereville my mom lives in has an H-E-B, Homeless Despot home improvement palace, pharmacy, and greasy spoon restaurants. I have seen grocery store "deserts" in tiny towns (<2k people) populated by dollar stores while grocery stores are 10-40 miles away. That's the price of living in rural areas. There are other areas in the US where Walmart came in, destroyed local independent businesses, and left.
- lamontcg 5y ago
  > basic rights(buying food) are violated for some. vaccines are free.
  - errcorrectcode 5y ago
    I don't understand why people believe choosing to put their lives and the lives of others at risk is somehow "noble", "courageous", "convenient", or "smarter that scientists." Maybe I didn't do enough "research" (i.e., check gossip on Facebook and green ink underground blogs) on the latest conspiracies. Edit: Plus, my rights and the rights of the majority of people were violated by quarantining for a year because idiots, ignorant, and reckless individuals caused community spread. If the rights of everyone had been uniformly violated with a strict quarantine for a month at the outset, it would've been contained in the US like China did. When the US stops wanting to be so "Great" it might be able to check its own ego and do what's vital for the survival of its people. It's another item that could form the basis of a sequel to "Where to Invade Next?" that showed how the US doubles-down on failure when other countries are far better in particular systems.
IG_Semmelweiss 5y ago
They had almost 2 years to prepare for this. Further, hasnt the "lack of workers" been exacerbated from vaccine mandates on workers? So, you have a system that cannot competently do its work prior to crisis cannot plan with enough time and *further chooses to shoot itself of the foot by limiting their labor None of these seem to indicate that those in charge care about taxpayers in the process. What is the government scared of? - incompetence? - lack of planning? - labor practices? No. None of these. They are scared of doing something different because "no one got fired for buying ibm". Nothing scares them more than doing something different from what is coming from the top.
- belval 5y ago
  > Further, hasnt the "lack of workers" been exacerbated from vaccine mandates on workers? There is no vaccine mandate for workers. They tried to push for it initially but they realized that they couldn't deal with the unvaccinated workers leaving, especially in long term care homes.
  - errcorrectcode 5y ago
    Doesn't that imply LTC needs to pay more and forbid unvaccinated conspiracy nuts from watching grandma?
    - belval 5y ago
      Well yes and no. The thing is we have an aging population that we have to take care of and it's been growing for a while now. Consequently we don't have replacement for those unvaccinated workers, they are literally all we have. The government offered a $15k bonus to nurses if they agreed to be full-time and it barely changed anything.
      - errcorrectcode 5y ago
        Supply & demand. Pay more, and it attracts more and better employees. Care facilities rake in tens of millions, they can afford to pay more. I think the US needs massively better immigration customer service and expanded visa programs to attract more medical workers, especially caregivers and nurses.
errcorrectcode 5y ago
Have you lived in major cities in America? ;-) In ATX, there's a deficit of 200+ police, 50+ EMTs, and who-knows-how-many nurses. Finding a decent doctor haphazardly is like playing Russian roulette with 5 bullets in a 6 wheel. (Obligatory firearms metaphor for Texas.) I've already been through a couple of psychiatrists since their misanthropic lack of BSM and acceptable human behaviors like listening were insurmountable. Found a good otolaryngologist and a gastroent. PCP also needs to be changed.
nradov 5y ago
During the previous coronavirus pandemic, which we think started in 1889, there was basically no healthcare at all. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0262407920308629 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S026240792... https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JVI.79.3.1595-1604.2005 https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JVI.79.3.1595-1604.2005
- pindab0ter 5y ago
  Are you saying that is fine for the healthcare system to come crashing down because we’ve ‘been there before? I know I should find the most charitable interpretation, but I genuinely don’t see it.

by belval 5y ago

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subsubzero 5y ago

That sounds like a problem with health infrastructure. So because leaders did not put in the needed health infrastructure to serve the population, basic rights(buying food) are violated for some.

belval 5y ago
Yes, that's what I wrote. Health infrastructure does not exist in a vacuum and between non-vaccinated having to shop at a regular grocery store and people literally dying because we don't have beds in hospital I'll take the lesser evil. FWIW I agree that after 2 years of the pandemic I see it as a failure of leadership. > Basic rights(buying food) are violated for some Let's not resort to hyperbole here. They can shop at Loblaws/Provigo/IGA/Metro/Maxi/Traditions like most people. They don't have a right to shop at Walmart.
- hackstack 5y ago
  They can shop at alternatives (if they exist in the specific town in Quebec), for now. It's not really hyperbole, I think. The basic right is at the very least being threatened, if not explicitly violated (yet).
  - belval 5y ago
    Quebec is not like the US in that regard, you won't find a town here that only has a Walmart/Costco. Those are limited to more developed urban centers that have plenty of alternatives.
    - errcorrectcode 5y ago
      In this region, there aren't many food/goods deserts. Even the nowhereville my mom lives in has an H-E-B, Homeless Despot home improvement palace, pharmacy, and greasy spoon restaurants. I have seen grocery store "deserts" in tiny towns (<2k people) populated by dollar stores while grocery stores are 10-40 miles away. That's the price of living in rural areas. There are other areas in the US where Walmart came in, destroyed local independent businesses, and left.
lamontcg 5y ago
> basic rights(buying food) are violated for some. vaccines are free.
- errcorrectcode 5y ago
  I don't understand why people believe choosing to put their lives and the lives of others at risk is somehow "noble", "courageous", "convenient", or "smarter that scientists." Maybe I didn't do enough "research" (i.e., check gossip on Facebook and green ink underground blogs) on the latest conspiracies. Edit: Plus, my rights and the rights of the majority of people were violated by quarantining for a year because idiots, ignorant, and reckless individuals caused community spread. If the rights of everyone had been uniformly violated with a strict quarantine for a month at the outset, it would've been contained in the US like China did. When the US stops wanting to be so "Great" it might be able to check its own ego and do what's vital for the survival of its people. It's another item that could form the basis of a sequel to "Where to Invade Next?" that showed how the US doubles-down on failure when other countries are far better in particular systems.

IG_Semmelweiss 5y ago

They had almost 2 years to prepare for this. Further, hasnt the "lack of workers" been exacerbated from vaccine mandates on workers? So, you have a system that cannot competently do its work prior to crisis cannot plan with enough time and *further chooses to shoot itself of the foot by limiting their labor None of these seem to indicate that those in charge care about taxpayers in the process. What is the government scared of? - incompetence? - lack of planning? - labor practices? No. None of these. They are scared of doing something different because "no one got fired for buying ibm". Nothing scares them more than doing something different from what is coming from the top.

belval 5y ago
> Further, hasnt the "lack of workers" been exacerbated from vaccine mandates on workers? There is no vaccine mandate for workers. They tried to push for it initially but they realized that they couldn't deal with the unvaccinated workers leaving, especially in long term care homes.
- errcorrectcode 5y ago
  Doesn't that imply LTC needs to pay more and forbid unvaccinated conspiracy nuts from watching grandma?
  - belval 5y ago
    Well yes and no. The thing is we have an aging population that we have to take care of and it's been growing for a while now. Consequently we don't have replacement for those unvaccinated workers, they are literally all we have. The government offered a $15k bonus to nurses if they agreed to be full-time and it barely changed anything.
    - errcorrectcode 5y ago
      Supply & demand. Pay more, and it attracts more and better employees. Care facilities rake in tens of millions, they can afford to pay more. I think the US needs massively better immigration customer service and expanded visa programs to attract more medical workers, especially caregivers and nurses.

errcorrectcode 5y ago

Have you lived in major cities in America? ;-) In ATX, there's a deficit of 200+ police, 50+ EMTs, and who-knows-how-many nurses. Finding a decent doctor haphazardly is like playing Russian roulette with 5 bullets in a 6 wheel. (Obligatory firearms metaphor for Texas.) I've already been through a couple of psychiatrists since their misanthropic lack of BSM and acceptable human behaviors like listening were insurmountable. Found a good otolaryngologist and a gastroent. PCP also needs to be changed.

nradov 5y ago

During the previous coronavirus pandemic, which we think started in 1889, there was basically no healthcare at all. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0262407920308629 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S026240792... https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JVI.79.3.1595-1604.2005 https://journals.asm.org/doi/10.1128/JVI.79.3.1595-1604.2005

pindab0ter 5y ago
Are you saying that is fine for the healthcare system to come crashing down because we’ve ‘been there before? I know I should find the most charitable interpretation, but I genuinely don’t see it.