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Other people's lives, you mean.
by vanusa 5y ago
Other people's lives, you mean.
- notch656a 5y agoYes exactly. When the lock down and mask mandates resulted in neuroplastic infants and toddlers not seeing as much lip and face movement during critical speech and socialization age (and in many case, daycares and schools being shut down resulting in less critical socialization), you sacrifice younger children in the hopes some others will be saved. So we sacrifice other lives (young children) so our own adult lives can perhaps be saved.
- theandrewbailey 5y agoAlso consider that young children are the demographic least affected (symptoms and death) by COVID. It was obvious a few months in, but these debilitating policies continued.
- vanusa 5y agoSo we sacrifice other lives (young children) so our own adult lives can perhaps be saved. The lives of their grandparents (and of older folks not related to us), you mean. You know, the ones actually the most vulnerable to this epidemic. I agree that the choices are difficult, no matter what we do. But there's no need to distort the basic equation, and make this particular choice appear to be something plainly selfish (young and mid-life adults snubbing the kids to cover their own asses) when it plainly is not.
- notch656a 5y agoNo I don't mean just our grandparents. I benefit way more from any reduction in exposure to covid than my kid does. The difference between a 2 year old and a mid 30s person is significant.
- vanusa 5y agoThe point is it's misleading to say "so our own adult lives can be saved" when that's not the main motivation for these policies. If the health system becomes incapacitated, and we have to push people out of ICUs to make way for the "freedom fighter" who won't vaccinate (which is already happening in some areas), then everyone suffers -- not just "mid 30s adults".
- notch656a 5y agoSo you want "freedom fighter" (whatever you consider that to be) to sign their death warrant? How are you going to keep them out of the hospital? I'd happily sign a death warrant today if it means the end of this tired argument of people complaining that people seek healthcare when they are ill. >If the health system becomes incapacitated If the health care system isn't working, then we need to look at expanding healthcare; perhaps by eliminating a lot of the regulations that drag it down. You don't have the right to force someone to make sure there are beds at a hospital. I don't think the answer is compelling non-consensual activity in private business such as masks. ------------------ >It's not that they "seek healthcare". But that they expect to have critical resources like ICU beds available to them (and therefore, denied to others) so they can enjoy their "freedom" (to ignore common sense) -- that folks take issue with. You're seriously complaining that when someone seeks healthcare they are using a bed? You know how many people using beds are there for non-essential activities (motorcycling, roofing a non-essential shed, snake bite because they went hiking, whatever). Should we outlaw any non-essential activity that could send you to the ED? It's 'common sense' to me that my (almost) 2 year old's speech development will be harmed if she can't see me speak (and at least one initial study suggests that is correct), so I don't wear a mask anywhere when she's with me nor do I enter establishments that require me to. Maybe that makes me a 'freedom fighter' for my kid's development.
- vanusa 5y agowe need to look at expanding healthcare; Not happening in the short term. complaining that people seek healthcare when they are ill. It's not that they "seek healthcare". But that they expect to have critical resources like ICU beds available to them (and therefore, denied to others) so they can enjoy their "freedom" (to ignore common sense) -- that folks take issue with.
- ipaddr 5y agoYou choose to leave your house. Isn't that your choice?
- lost-found 5y agoAhh yes because everyone knows heart attacks, strokes, aneurisms and burst appendixes never happen in your own home.