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> you are opening the gates for those arguing that smokers should be forced to stop smoking, or that obese people need to be forced to stricter diets. Honestly

by mbesto 5y ago

> you are opening the gates for those arguing that smokers should be forced to stop smoking, or that obese people need to be forced to stricter diets. Honestly, then good, we should open that can of worms. > 300 billion dollars estimated to be spent per year with treatment of smoking-related illness. AFAIK this treatment doesn't include "clogging an ICU because these people are on ventilators". I could be wrong though.

rory 5y ago
I'd be interested to see a poll of pro-vaccine-mandate individuals asking these questions: 1. Should smoking be banned? (by smoker status) 2. Should obese people be forced by the government to restrict calories? (by obesity status) I honestly have no idea how it would go. Most people are more coy about those opinions.
- Melatonic 5y ago
  Some countries are starting to ban smoking - look at New Zealand. Personally I am not against it specifically - if you are going to do some kind of extra harmful drug it might as well at least be one that is not so damn boring like Nicotine. Obese people is a more complicated issue and I would argue that (at a societal level) it is an indicator of a larger social problem that is then causing the issue downstream just like other issues of addiction. I think we would be better off targeting that issue upstream. That being said I do really like that in some countries (Japan, from what I hear) your general doctor can prescribe you basic things like "exercise". It must be painfully obvious to so many doctors out there that the best solution to some problems is to get the person actually moving more but instead they have to beat around the bush with after the fact duct tape type medical fixes.
  - rory 5y ago
    > I think we would be better off targeting that issue upstream. I'm not sure I understand. You mean like banning certain foods?

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> you are opening the gates for those arguing that smokers should be forced to stop smoking, or that obese people need to be forced to stricter diets. Honestly

by mbesto 5y ago

rory 5y ago
I'd be interested to see a poll of pro-vaccine-mandate individuals asking these questions: 1. Should smoking be banned? (by smoker status) 2. Should obese people be forced by the government to restrict calories? (by obesity status) I honestly have no idea how it would go. Most people are more coy about those opinions.
- Melatonic 5y ago
  Some countries are starting to ban smoking - look at New Zealand. Personally I am not against it specifically - if you are going to do some kind of extra harmful drug it might as well at least be one that is not so damn boring like Nicotine. Obese people is a more complicated issue and I would argue that (at a societal level) it is an indicator of a larger social problem that is then causing the issue downstream just like other issues of addiction. I think we would be better off targeting that issue upstream. That being said I do really like that in some countries (Japan, from what I hear) your general doctor can prescribe you basic things like "exercise". It must be painfully obvious to so many doctors out there that the best solution to some problems is to get the person actually moving more but instead they have to beat around the bush with after the fact duct tape type medical fixes.
  - rory 5y ago
    > I think we would be better off targeting that issue upstream. I'm not sure I understand. You mean like banning certain foods?