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Eradication is not the goal. Making sure hospitals aren't overwhelmed with COVID patients is the goal. Catching COVID is potentially dangerous and often times r

Eradication is not the goal. Making sure hospitals aren't overwhelmed with COVID patients is the goal. Catching COVID is potentially dangerous and often times results in long recovery window. Vaccination is harmless and works. The thread will never subside; this is a new virus we will have to live with for the rest of our lives - especially considering we can't seem to get everyone to do the right thing, even with government mandates.

donohoe 5y ago
This! I should have said this, but they mail it.
hbn 5y ago
> Vaccination is harmless Oh please, if you want to say it's low-risk, or lower-risk than catching covid, go ahead. But don't just assert outright falsities.
- Fernicia 5y ago
  It's a lot safer than other things we consider harmless.
stronglikedan 5y ago
The thing is, hospitals aren't overwhelmed. Sure, maybe a handful in the most metropolitan of areas, but should the whole country pay for that? I don't think so. Of course, the news makes it seem like hospitals around the country are overwhelmed, but that's just agenda-based sensationalism, and should be taken with a grain of salt.
- FireBeyond 5y ago
  As a critical care paramedic in a semi-rural area, most non-metropolitan hospitals are ill equipped to care for acute respiratory patients, and ship them to metropolitan hospitals. To quote you: "Should the whole country pay for that", too? Or maybe those metropolitan hospitals should say "sucks to be you", and let's just see how quickly those rural hospitals collapse under the weight. My local ER, which is certainly not "in the most metropolitan of areas", which used to _never_ have a bed unavailable, has got to the point where ambulance crews _routinely_ (as in dozens of times, every single day) spend 2 to 6 HOURS with a patient in a hallway, "holding up a wall" (and unable to respond to calls in their community), until the ER can free a bed for them. Anecdotal, I'm sure you'll scream. But "agenda-based sensationalism" is also entirely your opinion, too.
password321 5y ago
>Vaccination is harmless Tell that to the increasing number of footballers facing cardiac arrest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballers_who_died_while_playing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballer...
- lelandfe 5y ago
  As far as I’m aware, you’re spreading a rumor by claiming there’s a link. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2SL1NJ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2SL1NJ > FIFA is not aware of a rise in episodes of cardiac arrests… and no cases have been flagged in relation to individuals receiving a COVID vaccine.
- myko 5y ago
  "The report recorded worldwide deaths attributed to sudden cardiac arrest or other unexplained sudden death while playing (or shortly after playing) football between 2014 and 2018. There were 614 cases during the four-year period." Is there any evidence the deaths you're posting about were caused by the mRNA vaccines?
spookthesunset 5y ago
> Making sure hospitals aren't overwhelmed with COVID patients is the goal. So fix the capacity issue and your problem is solved without toxic, corrosive and highly controversial government mandates with dubious efficacy. I mean, thus far they've had 2 years to fix the "overwhelmed with COVID patients" problem so we wouldn't have to do all this. At this point it's all just excuses. What gives?
- perfectstorm 5y ago
  > So fix the capacity issue even if a government build 100 new hospitals in a state do you think they can get enough healthcare workers? at least in Chicago reagion, they are having hard time finding healthcare workers. it's not like hospitals can go to a Med school and ask for 1000 new doctors, respiratory therapists and nurses.
  - mchusma 5y ago
    Most doctors and nurses do not work in emergency wards. So if it were truly desperate, it seems almost trivial to get more support. There are 200,000 dentists in the US. 115,000 veterinarians.
  - spookthesunset 5y ago
    Everybody on this forum likes to say “there is no IT shortage. People just aren’t paying enough”. Right? So… …seems like one solution, eh?
raxxorrax 5y ago
No, that was explicitly not the goal. That is after the goal has massively shifted when new realities surfaced. Our hospitals are optimized to work at 100% load in normal operation. If any external even increases that load it is expected that there will be problems. > The thread will never subside Threat from diseases? No, probably not. But the threat from this virus will be manageable without us changing much.

donohoe 5y ago

This! I should have said this, but they mail it.

hbn 5y ago

> Vaccination is harmless Oh please, if you want to say it's low-risk, or lower-risk than catching covid, go ahead. But don't just assert outright falsities.

Fernicia 5y ago
It's a lot safer than other things we consider harmless.

stronglikedan 5y ago

The thing is, hospitals aren't overwhelmed. Sure, maybe a handful in the most metropolitan of areas, but should the whole country pay for that? I don't think so. Of course, the news makes it seem like hospitals around the country are overwhelmed, but that's just agenda-based sensationalism, and should be taken with a grain of salt.

FireBeyond 5y ago
As a critical care paramedic in a semi-rural area, most non-metropolitan hospitals are ill equipped to care for acute respiratory patients, and ship them to metropolitan hospitals. To quote you: "Should the whole country pay for that", too? Or maybe those metropolitan hospitals should say "sucks to be you", and let's just see how quickly those rural hospitals collapse under the weight. My local ER, which is certainly not "in the most metropolitan of areas", which used to _never_ have a bed unavailable, has got to the point where ambulance crews _routinely_ (as in dozens of times, every single day) spend 2 to 6 HOURS with a patient in a hallway, "holding up a wall" (and unable to respond to calls in their community), until the ER can free a bed for them. Anecdotal, I'm sure you'll scream. But "agenda-based sensationalism" is also entirely your opinion, too.

password321 5y ago

>Vaccination is harmless Tell that to the increasing number of footballers facing cardiac arrest. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballers_who_died_while_playing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballer...

lelandfe 5y ago
As far as I’m aware, you’re spreading a rumor by claiming there’s a link. https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2SL1NJ https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2SL1NJ > FIFA is not aware of a rise in episodes of cardiac arrests… and no cases have been flagged in relation to individuals receiving a COVID vaccine.
myko 5y ago
"The report recorded worldwide deaths attributed to sudden cardiac arrest or other unexplained sudden death while playing (or shortly after playing) football between 2014 and 2018. There were 614 cases during the four-year period." Is there any evidence the deaths you're posting about were caused by the mRNA vaccines?

spookthesunset 5y ago

> Making sure hospitals aren't overwhelmed with COVID patients is the goal. So fix the capacity issue and your problem is solved without toxic, corrosive and highly controversial government mandates with dubious efficacy. I mean, thus far they've had 2 years to fix the "overwhelmed with COVID patients" problem so we wouldn't have to do all this. At this point it's all just excuses. What gives?

perfectstorm 5y ago
> So fix the capacity issue even if a government build 100 new hospitals in a state do you think they can get enough healthcare workers? at least in Chicago reagion, they are having hard time finding healthcare workers. it's not like hospitals can go to a Med school and ask for 1000 new doctors, respiratory therapists and nurses.
- mchusma 5y ago
  Most doctors and nurses do not work in emergency wards. So if it were truly desperate, it seems almost trivial to get more support. There are 200,000 dentists in the US. 115,000 veterinarians.
- spookthesunset 5y ago
  Everybody on this forum likes to say “there is no IT shortage. People just aren’t paying enough”. Right? So… …seems like one solution, eh?

raxxorrax 5y ago

No, that was explicitly not the goal. That is after the goal has massively shifted when new realities surfaced. Our hospitals are optimized to work at 100% load in normal operation. If any external even increases that load it is expected that there will be problems. > The thread will never subside Threat from diseases? No, probably not. But the threat from this virus will be manageable without us changing much.