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That's also why many governments do not accept proof of recovery in lieu of proof of vaccination. Those who do have vaccine-skeptic people catching the virus in

That's also why many governments do not accept proof of recovery in lieu of proof of vaccination. Those who do have vaccine-skeptic people catching the virus intentionally and risking death. https://globalnews.ca/news/8524409/hana-horka-czech-singer-covid-death/ https://globalnews.ca/news/8524409/hana-horka-czech-singer-c...

walterbell 5y ago
Let's remember that the best case for vaccinated people is Covid recovery. Wilful ignorance of the best case would be unwise. https://cbs12.com/news/local/new-covid-variant-detected-in-at-least-40-different-countries https://cbs12.com/news/local/new-covid-variant-detected-in-a... > "Omicron is acting like a super booster," Unnasch said. "People who have gotten omicron are going to be really well protected against infection, not just disease moving forward, which is a really good sign."
- smnrchrds 5y ago
  The best case is never catching COVID again. Even vaccinated people put themselves at risk (albeit less than non-vaccinated people) if they catch COVID intentionally. No one recommends just going out there and catching COVID. But when proof of vaccination systems allow for it, some people do it anyway and some of them die instead. Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/2557/ https://xkcd.com/2557/
  - walterbell 5y ago
    Not going to happen with a coronavirus, even with self-isolation forever.
Mountain_Skies 5y ago
Yes, yet another way the government is dishonestly manipulating people into a single course of action even when it is of little benefit to anyone other than those who mistake metrics for what the metrics were designed to manage. There appears to be no bottom to the depths of credibility destruction that the government will plunge in order to put compliance above all else.
eggy 5y ago
So there playing the I am ignoring it or lying about it for your benefit card like Fauci about masks early on? It was a while ago that the CDC estimated recovered COVID numbers to bre around 146 million. It is more like over 200 million at this point with overlap of vaccinated people. I am sick of being ignored of having recovered, and people making the excuse that if they let us know how good natural immunity is, or even talk about it, the idiots will go out and get COVID. I don't want a nanny state, or police state for that matter. The WHO and a lot of the world are at odds with the CDC especially on masking and boosting of under 12 year-olds. Besides boosting one after the other may be weakening the immune system [1]. It makes sense. It raises antibodies, but wanes quickly. Natural immunity lives in B- and T-cell long-term memory of the immune system. SARS-COV1 recovered are still testing strong for immunity for over 18 years now. I am getting repetitive, but let's address obesity, diabetes, poor lifestyle choices, and their kind before mandating anyone's personal health choices or shaming them for their decisions. If I call out obesity it is fat shaming..., but go ahead and lump the recovered in with the unvaccinated and try and shame and steer the course of our lives with mandates and policing. [1] https://newsrescue.com/covid-boosters-could-weaken-immune-system-eu-regulators-warn/ https://newsrescue.com/covid-boosters-could-weaken-immune-sy...
- mulletbum 5y ago
- Daishiman 5y ago
  The difference is that I can't catch diabetes or obesity from others.
  - eggy 5y ago
    No, those are self-inflicted, and you can take action to rid yourself of them or minimize their effects. Self empowerment. And since I first posted the CDC released a study that shows natural immunity is better than vaccination. Not surprised since vaccination went from 95% efficacy, and you will not catch or transmit COVID (very early on); to well, it's like 78% effective after a few months, and you can catch a mild case of COVID; to it drops below 50% after 3 to 5 months (vaccines cannot be FDA approved if they show less than 50% effectiveness), and you will need a booster, and you can be infected and infect others. And we can debate mask-wearing, but there are no substantive studies on the issue, and if naturally immune and the vaccinated are protected (probably greater than 90% of the population by now), why masks? Not to even drag in having all of our children masked 8 hours/day, while the rest of us are able to limit our mask-wearing even though 12 and under are the least at risk for anything serious from COVID.

walterbell 5y ago

Let's remember that the best case for vaccinated people is Covid recovery. Wilful ignorance of the best case would be unwise. https://cbs12.com/news/local/new-covid-variant-detected-in-at-least-40-different-countries https://cbs12.com/news/local/new-covid-variant-detected-in-a... > "Omicron is acting like a super booster," Unnasch said. "People who have gotten omicron are going to be really well protected against infection, not just disease moving forward, which is a really good sign."

smnrchrds 5y ago
The best case is never catching COVID again. Even vaccinated people put themselves at risk (albeit less than non-vaccinated people) if they catch COVID intentionally. No one recommends just going out there and catching COVID. But when proof of vaccination systems allow for it, some people do it anyway and some of them die instead. Relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/2557/ https://xkcd.com/2557/
- walterbell 5y ago
  Not going to happen with a coronavirus, even with self-isolation forever.

Mountain_Skies 5y ago

Yes, yet another way the government is dishonestly manipulating people into a single course of action even when it is of little benefit to anyone other than those who mistake metrics for what the metrics were designed to manage. There appears to be no bottom to the depths of credibility destruction that the government will plunge in order to put compliance above all else.

eggy 5y ago

So there playing the I am ignoring it or lying about it for your benefit card like Fauci about masks early on? It was a while ago that the CDC estimated recovered COVID numbers to bre around 146 million. It is more like over 200 million at this point with overlap of vaccinated people. I am sick of being ignored of having recovered, and people making the excuse that if they let us know how good natural immunity is, or even talk about it, the idiots will go out and get COVID. I don't want a nanny state, or police state for that matter. The WHO and a lot of the world are at odds with the CDC especially on masking and boosting of under 12 year-olds. Besides boosting one after the other may be weakening the immune system [1]. It makes sense. It raises antibodies, but wanes quickly. Natural immunity lives in B- and T-cell long-term memory of the immune system. SARS-COV1 recovered are still testing strong for immunity for over 18 years now. I am getting repetitive, but let's address obesity, diabetes, poor lifestyle choices, and their kind before mandating anyone's personal health choices or shaming them for their decisions. If I call out obesity it is fat shaming..., but go ahead and lump the recovered in with the unvaccinated and try and shame and steer the course of our lives with mandates and policing. [1] https://newsrescue.com/covid-boosters-could-weaken-immune-system-eu-regulators-warn/ https://newsrescue.com/covid-boosters-could-weaken-immune-sy...

mulletbum 5y ago
Daishiman 5y ago
The difference is that I can't catch diabetes or obesity from others.
- eggy 5y ago
  No, those are self-inflicted, and you can take action to rid yourself of them or minimize their effects. Self empowerment. And since I first posted the CDC released a study that shows natural immunity is better than vaccination. Not surprised since vaccination went from 95% efficacy, and you will not catch or transmit COVID (very early on); to well, it's like 78% effective after a few months, and you can catch a mild case of COVID; to it drops below 50% after 3 to 5 months (vaccines cannot be FDA approved if they show less than 50% effectiveness), and you will need a booster, and you can be infected and infect others. And we can debate mask-wearing, but there are no substantive studies on the issue, and if naturally immune and the vaccinated are protected (probably greater than 90% of the population by now), why masks? Not to even drag in having all of our children masked 8 hours/day, while the rest of us are able to limit our mask-wearing even though 12 and under are the least at risk for anything serious from COVID.