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So he was referring to the "east coast". In New York State where I live, we have 95% first-dose vaccination status for adults and 73% for complete vaccine seri
by zzzeek 5y ago
So he was referring to the "east coast".
In New York State where I live, we have 95% first-dose vaccination status for adults and 73% for complete vaccine series (https://twitter.com/GovKathyHochul/status/1486083384682192896 https://twitter.com/GovKathyHochul/status/148608338468219289...) .
so here, continued vaccine mandates won't have much additional effect. However, I would venture to say a whole lot of that 95% has been vaccinated *because* of the mandates that were temporarily in effect at the national level as well as the mandates that continue to be in effect (health care workers, federal contractors, large employers that mandate vaccination in any case). My general sense is that the vaccine mandates, despite their being in the process of being torn down by a very broken supreme court, most certainly helped a whole lot in states where state-level leadership was on board with the general idea.
in conservative states where vaccination rates are low, state governments are in varying degrees of defiance towards the federal government, vaccine mandates are not as effective because of the very great resistance to them in these states. you could argue that continued vaccine mandates will continue to not be very effective, and for that reason they should also be rescinded. I'd guess some replies here will make this kind of argument.
I would disagree with that argument, and it's my opinion that vaccine mandates should stay in place to the degree that it's the right thing to do, as well as the completely normal and traditional thing to do from a public health standpoint. The fierce political interference with traditional public health measures is unfortunate but that should not be a rationale for sensible policies to just be switched off.
- peteradio 5y agoThe policies are sensible in your opinion, you will find that is where you are in disagreement with myself at least. The policies might be sensible with rose colored glasses and a pint of hope, but its not like what we imagined it would be way back a year ago. Ultimately vaccines should be used for those who benefit but forcing it on those who don't need it is just checking a box. Quit pretending like we don't know that most Americans have had Covid by now and that this imparts significant immunity.
- nathanaldensr 5y ago
- dang 5y agoPlease don't cross into the flamewar style, no matter how strongly you (and others) feel on a topic. We're trying to avoid that here, and need everyone to pitch in. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- encryptluks2 5y ago
- easton 5y agoThey were being snarky. Nobody would say "I want to control your body" (well, not in this context anyway). A better way to phrase it would probably be "Why should anyone be able to tell me what to do with my body?" (and another sentence or two elaborating on the thought)
- encryptluks2 5y ago
- dang 5y agoPlenty of HN users can, and do, disagree with that in ways that don't involve snark or personal attack. This isn't about your underlying views—it's entirely about comment quality. Comments like the GP lead to further inflammation and aggression in threads, which makes for boring, nasty, predictable discussion. We're trying to avoid that here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- walterbell 5y agoA large percentage of urban NY populations were infected and recovered in 2020, gaining immunity to 2020 and Delta variants. Those who recovered from the recent wave of Omicron infections will also have immunity to more-dangerous Delta.
- yucky 5y agoInterestingly enough, there doesn't seem to be any correlation between states like New York and Florida and their polar opposite approaches to mandates. In the end, the data says it made no difference. Why?
- dekhn 5y agoI await the results, ten years int he future, where we integrate a wide range of data in less ambiguous ways to determine what the actual effects of vaccination, post-infection resistance, masking, etc were, and understand the underlying causes. I do agree that interventions (except for full shutdown like china) don't seem to have a huge variation in results.
- yucky 5y agoWell we already know there has been a huge increase in the deaths of black children [1] [1] https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/nation/2022/01/25/child-abuse-report-deaths-black-children-up-pandemic/9209127002/ https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/nation/2022/01/25/chi...
- dekhn 5y agoI am only interested in serious results from quantitative medical biology researchers related specifically to viral infection, not secondary causes. Also quotes from the newspaper article already point out some of the effects predate covid and thus couldn't have been caused by it.
- yucky 5y ago>related specifically to viral infection, not secondary causes. You can't separate the two. The governments response to the pandemic needs to be analyzed, and the huge increase in deaths among black children as a direct result of their policies in regards to the virus, and not due to the virus itself, means those deaths were preventable with a less authoritarian response.
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- dont__panic 5y agoKeep in mind that NYC is a massive tourist destination -- I'm happy to keep vaccine mandates around if it keeps unvaccinated tourists from hopping in an uber, into a long airport line, eating food in a cramped indoor airport cafeteria, hopping on a plane, into another uber... and then to the table right next to me. At least get a vaccine before you do that.