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Just one country as an example: The US lost 15K people last week to Omicron. 150K people hospitalized, 25K in the ICU. That's nowhere close to "mild to non-exis

Just one country as an example: The US lost 15K people last week to Omicron. 150K people hospitalized, 25K in the ICU. That's nowhere close to "mild to non-existent" compared to a vaccine.

qbasic_forever 5y ago
As a point of comparison too about 690k Americans die of heart disease a year, or a rate of about 13k deaths from heart disease a week. Currently the 'mild' omicron strain of the virus is killing more people per week than the number one killer of Americans (heart disease). https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm Usurping the top spot for causes of death in a week is not mild by any means.
jaywalk 5y ago
> The US lost 15K people last week to Omicron. Bullshit. There is no data to suggest all of those deaths were from omicron, and no reason to believe that's the case either. Don't spread misinformation.
- qbasic_forever 5y ago
  Take your argument up with the New York Times, their death tracker is showing that ~15k people have died from COVID in the last 7 days: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html Count up the daily counts yourself and check. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You have provided no evidence that 15k, as reported by one of the most reputable new organizations in the world, is wrong or should be considered misinformation.
  - jaywalk 5y ago
    I'm not debating the Covid death number. You specifically called out omicron, while none of the actual data does so. There's no data (that I'm aware of) breaking out the US deaths by variant.
nradov 5y ago
Your numbers are way off. Many of the deaths last week weren't necessarily from Omicron. Some were patients infected by the Delta variant in previous weeks before Omicron became completely dominant.
- r00fus 5y ago
  Omicron has been like 90%+ of the cases reported for the last month in almost every jurisdiction. A month ago you might have been able to say that but today it's pretty clear that almost all the cases will have been Omicron.
  - nradov 5y ago
    Terminal patients don't die immediately, it usually takes several weeks. Omicron only crossed the 90% threshold of sequenced cases the week of 01/01/2022. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportions https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportion...
    - groby_b 5y ago
      Yes, and deaths have been steadily rising since then.
yucky 5y ago
>The US lost 15K people last week to Omicron. Not true. You're referring to all Covid deaths, not Omicron. We are still seeing the Delta strain lethality in the numbers.

Just one country as an example: The US lost 15K people last week to Omicron. 150K people hospitalized, 25K in the ICU. That's nowhere close to "mild to non-existent" compared to a vaccine.

qbasic_forever 5y ago

As a point of comparison too about 690k Americans die of heart disease a year, or a rate of about 13k deaths from heart disease a week. Currently the 'mild' omicron strain of the virus is killing more people per week than the number one killer of Americans (heart disease). https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/leading-causes-of-death.htm Usurping the top spot for causes of death in a week is not mild by any means.

jaywalk 5y ago

> The US lost 15K people last week to Omicron. Bullshit. There is no data to suggest all of those deaths were from omicron, and no reason to believe that's the case either. Don't spread misinformation.

qbasic_forever 5y ago
Take your argument up with the New York Times, their death tracker is showing that ~15k people have died from COVID in the last 7 days: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html Count up the daily counts yourself and check. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. You have provided no evidence that 15k, as reported by one of the most reputable new organizations in the world, is wrong or should be considered misinformation.
- jaywalk 5y ago
  I'm not debating the Covid death number. You specifically called out omicron, while none of the actual data does so. There's no data (that I'm aware of) breaking out the US deaths by variant.

nradov 5y ago

Your numbers are way off. Many of the deaths last week weren't necessarily from Omicron. Some were patients infected by the Delta variant in previous weeks before Omicron became completely dominant.

r00fus 5y ago
Omicron has been like 90%+ of the cases reported for the last month in almost every jurisdiction. A month ago you might have been able to say that but today it's pretty clear that almost all the cases will have been Omicron.
- nradov 5y ago
  Terminal patients don't die immediately, it usually takes several weeks. Omicron only crossed the 90% threshold of sequenced cases the week of 01/01/2022. https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportions https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportion...
  - groby_b 5y ago
    Yes, and deaths have been steadily rising since then.

yucky 5y ago

>The US lost 15K people last week to Omicron. Not true. You're referring to all Covid deaths, not Omicron. We are still seeing the Delta strain lethality in the numbers.