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What you meant to say is that natural immunity varies between individuals. Of course, the same is true with vaccine immunity. The CDC's propaganda campaign to c

What you meant to say is that natural immunity varies between individuals. Of course, the same is true with vaccine immunity. The CDC's propaganda campaign to convince people otherwise has about zero science backing it. What is also true is that just about every study published concludes the same thing: natural immunity works better than vaccine immunity alone in fighting off COVID re-infection.

mcphage 5y ago
> natural immunity works better than vaccine immunity alone in fighting off COVID re-infection. By "natural immunity", you mean, "getting infected"?
- PathOfEclipse 5y ago
  No, I mean, the immunity achieved after fighting off infection, which includes antibodies in the blood stream for a period of time, and, as far as we can tell, long-lasting, probably permanent, T- and B-cell memory.
  - HoobaTemp 5y ago
    And post-infection immunity is achieved not just by production of s-protein antibodies, but antibodies to proteins of the membrane, the nucleocapsid, and the envelope of the virus.
  - mcphage 5y ago
    Well, if you get vaccinated, and it fails, then I guess you get natural immunity as a consolation prize!
Brian_K_White 5y ago
When and where has the cdc claimed that vaccines are equally effective on everyone? They haven't. They have said everyone who can should get one because everyone who can should get one.
- PathOfEclipse 5y ago
  The CDC, along with the corporate media that works hand-in-hand with the democrat party in the U.S., have long been saying vaccine immunity is more consistent: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/21/fact-check-vaccines-offer-safe-consistent-protection-covid-19/7609402002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/21/fac... "An April 20 paper awaiting peer review — and cited by Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases — found that people who had received two doses of shots from Pfizer or Moderna had antibody levels "up to 10 times" higher than those of a natural infection." This science was complete garbage, partially because antibody levels are a poor signal for the strength of one's immunity even as admitted by the FDA: https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/safety-communications/antibody-testing-not-currently-recommended-assess-immunity-after-covid-19-vaccination-fda-safety https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/safety-communications/an... More importantly, it was not a real-world study of how one form of immunity performs versus the other. This by the way, is not the first time the CDC cited or published study, reached conclusions they should never have responsibly reached, and then had their conclusions parroted by corporate media and leftwing fact checkers for months or even a year or more before being discredited. By that time, the damage had already been done. Others doing studies around the same time comparing real-world immunity performance concluded the exact opposite: https://www.citizensjournal.us/johns-hopkins-medical-prof-explains-natural-covid-immunity-is-very-strong/ https://www.citizensjournal.us/johns-hopkins-medical-prof-ex.... "The study authors concluded that ‘individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from covid-19 vaccination.’ And in May, a Washington University study found that even a mild covid infection resulted in long-lasting immunity.”
  - Brian_K_White 5y ago
    Nowhere do you quote them making any such outlandish claim. All this says is that it's effective.
    - PathOfEclipse 5y ago
      From the article I linked: "Recovery from COVID results in very variable immunity to a second infection, and this is reflected in the wide range of anti-spike antibodies in recovered patients," McFadden said. "On the other hand, the immunity from the vaccines (especially the messenger RNA versions) is much more uniform, both in terms of protection from COVID and in anti-spike antibody levels." He's not from the CDC, so here is another one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/01/what-works-better-vaccines-or-natural-immunity/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/01/what-works-... "CDC finds immunity from vaccines is more consistent than from infection, but both last at least six months" "Coronavirus infections can cause severe disease or no symptoms at all, and the CDC found that antibody levels vary widely from one individual to another after an infection. The report also notes that there is no test authorized by the Food and Drug Administration that would enable doctors and the public to reliably measure an individual’s protection from disease. And although higher levels of neutralizing antibodies generally signal higher protection, scientists don’t know precisely what level of antibodies will protect an individual."

mcphage 5y ago

> natural immunity works better than vaccine immunity alone in fighting off COVID re-infection. By "natural immunity", you mean, "getting infected"?

PathOfEclipse 5y ago
No, I mean, the immunity achieved after fighting off infection, which includes antibodies in the blood stream for a period of time, and, as far as we can tell, long-lasting, probably permanent, T- and B-cell memory.
- HoobaTemp 5y ago
  And post-infection immunity is achieved not just by production of s-protein antibodies, but antibodies to proteins of the membrane, the nucleocapsid, and the envelope of the virus.
- mcphage 5y ago
  Well, if you get vaccinated, and it fails, then I guess you get natural immunity as a consolation prize!

Brian_K_White 5y ago

When and where has the cdc claimed that vaccines are equally effective on everyone? They haven't. They have said everyone who can should get one because everyone who can should get one.

PathOfEclipse 5y ago
The CDC, along with the corporate media that works hand-in-hand with the democrat party in the U.S., have long been saying vaccine immunity is more consistent: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/21/fact-check-vaccines-offer-safe-consistent-protection-covid-19/7609402002/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/06/21/fac... "An April 20 paper awaiting peer review — and cited by Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases — found that people who had received two doses of shots from Pfizer or Moderna had antibody levels "up to 10 times" higher than those of a natural infection." This science was complete garbage, partially because antibody levels are a poor signal for the strength of one's immunity even as admitted by the FDA: https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/safety-communications/antibody-testing-not-currently-recommended-assess-immunity-after-covid-19-vaccination-fda-safety https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/safety-communications/an... More importantly, it was not a real-world study of how one form of immunity performs versus the other. This by the way, is not the first time the CDC cited or published study, reached conclusions they should never have responsibly reached, and then had their conclusions parroted by corporate media and leftwing fact checkers for months or even a year or more before being discredited. By that time, the damage had already been done. Others doing studies around the same time comparing real-world immunity performance concluded the exact opposite: https://www.citizensjournal.us/johns-hopkins-medical-prof-explains-natural-covid-immunity-is-very-strong/ https://www.citizensjournal.us/johns-hopkins-medical-prof-ex.... "The study authors concluded that ‘individuals who have had SARS-CoV-2 infection are unlikely to benefit from covid-19 vaccination.’ And in May, a Washington University study found that even a mild covid infection resulted in long-lasting immunity.”
- Brian_K_White 5y ago
  Nowhere do you quote them making any such outlandish claim. All this says is that it's effective.
  - PathOfEclipse 5y ago
    From the article I linked: "Recovery from COVID results in very variable immunity to a second infection, and this is reflected in the wide range of anti-spike antibodies in recovered patients," McFadden said. "On the other hand, the immunity from the vaccines (especially the messenger RNA versions) is much more uniform, both in terms of protection from COVID and in anti-spike antibody levels." He's not from the CDC, so here is another one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/01/what-works-better-vaccines-or-natural-immunity/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/11/01/what-works-... "CDC finds immunity from vaccines is more consistent than from infection, but both last at least six months" "Coronavirus infections can cause severe disease or no symptoms at all, and the CDC found that antibody levels vary widely from one individual to another after an infection. The report also notes that there is no test authorized by the Food and Drug Administration that would enable doctors and the public to reliably measure an individual’s protection from disease. And although higher levels of neutralizing antibodies generally signal higher protection, scientists don’t know precisely what level of antibodies will protect an individual."