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didn't you get a memo. "super booster" is a newspeak for "natural immunity" which is politically irresponsible now. /s

by rllearneratwork 5y ago

jdkjs 5y ago
- efnx 5y ago
  Contracting the virus isn’t a safe way to gain immunity.
  - rllearneratwork 5y ago
    depends on the age group, co-morbidities, and virus variant. Isn't it?
  - throwaway09223 5y ago
    For healthy, already vaccinated people it's reasonably safe to contract omicron. I haven't gotten omicron (I don't think) but it's not at all something I would worry about at this point. Concern is still warranted for high risk groups. It's important to vaccinate to reduce symptoms. It is safe for most people to contract omicron.
    - Vivtek 5y ago
      So safe, in fact, that more people are dying in Puerto Rico this week, due to the omicron spike, than at any earlier point in the pandemic.
    - zamalek 5y ago
      Modern medicine weights the benefit of a treatment against its side effects. Chemotherapy, as one example, absolutely ravages a person but the alternative (ongoing cancer) is significantly worse: that is why chemotherapy is a recommended treatment for cancer. The current consensus is that we shouldn't be intentionally infecting ourselves with COVID as an inoculation. The side effects of this treatment aren't well understood and we have evidence that they can be pretty bad (long COVID). Remember that we are currently only counting deaths. You should continue to do everything in your power to avoid catching COVID... and vaccinate, obviously.
      - PathOfEclipse 5y ago
        The death counts aren't even accurate: https://www.dailywire.com/news/jordan-peterson-absolutely-no-excuse-cdc-director-cant-say-how-many-deaths-are-from-covid-versus-with-covid?itm_source=parsely-api https://www.dailywire.com/news/jordan-peterson-absolutely-no.... And the evidence that long COVID is generally bad is lacking as well. The virus has no doubt been bad for many groups of people, but when the leading cause of death in the U.S. for adults 45 and under is drug overdose from a single drug, fentanyl, and when the excess deaths over the pandemic from suicides far outstrips COVID deaths for teenagers, it's time to pause and reconsider health from a more holistic perspective. COVID kills the elderly and those with a few other comorbidities like obesity and diabetes, but, for many, the risk factor is too low to justify the outrage people have over the unvaccinated, as much as it is the fault of the media and the established government for stoking this outrage.
        zamalek 5y ago
        The outrage over the vaccinated is equally as high, case in point: I was talking about intentionally catching it.
  - ihsw 5y ago
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  - xiphias2 5y ago
    Why not? I'm triple vaccinated with Pfizer, and I was seriously considering getting infected. I still don't see any data on hospitalization rate between getting infected with delta vs omicron variant for triple vaccinated people. At the same time getting infected with a variant would prepare my body for newer mutations.
  - ifyoubuildit 5y ago
    How many people out there do you think are making that decision? In order for them to do so, they would have had to avoid being vaccinated and getting infected this whole time. There just aren't that many of these people left at this point. There are however millions upon millions of people who have already gone through the ordeal of an infection and are tired of being harassed, badgered, shamed, attacked, etc, even after the talking heads are finally admitting that these people are not the plague rats they led everyone to believe they are.
- nerevarthelame 5y ago
  "Natural immunity" is lining the pockets of gravediggers and coffin makers. Imagine if Pfizer's vaccine caused 7,000+ deaths every day.
- bryanlarsen 5y ago
  Pfizer will make a lot more money if you need Pavloxid to treat your COVID than it would have made from the vaccine.
lghh 5y ago
Love catching a virus so I don't catch a virus.
- whatshisface 5y ago
  Sources are divided on the statistics, but catching Omnicron so you don't catch Delta would be a winning trade (not a big a win as catching one-time-use mRNA, haha, but we're talking strict economics.)
  - lghh 5y ago
    Fair, but you don't get to choose what you catch and it's extremely unlikely (like, < .001% in the US) that you'll catch Delta instead of Omicron. I'd for sure choose Omicron, though.
    - whatshisface 5y ago
      I think the "Omnicron will protect us" statements are meant to be understood by comparison to a counterfactual world where there's only Delta.
- bpodgursky 5y ago
  The snark is unwarranted, because there's actually a huge benefit to reducing your ability to be infectious to the people around you. It allows you to live your life without social distancing and without any risk to people you engage with.
  - lghh 5y ago
    But to do that you first have to become infectious, right? I'm no longer being snarky, I'm curious what I'm missing in the thought process.
    - bpodgursky 5y ago
      Sure, so you become infectious and quarantine for 10 days (at a time you can test and control), and then don't have to worry about it in the future. Removes a burden going forward.

didn't you get a memo. "super booster" is a newspeak for "natural immunity" which is politically irresponsible now. /s

jdkjs 5y ago

efnx 5y ago
Contracting the virus isn’t a safe way to gain immunity.
- rllearneratwork 5y ago
  depends on the age group, co-morbidities, and virus variant. Isn't it?
- throwaway09223 5y ago
  For healthy, already vaccinated people it's reasonably safe to contract omicron. I haven't gotten omicron (I don't think) but it's not at all something I would worry about at this point. Concern is still warranted for high risk groups. It's important to vaccinate to reduce symptoms. It is safe for most people to contract omicron.
  - Vivtek 5y ago
    So safe, in fact, that more people are dying in Puerto Rico this week, due to the omicron spike, than at any earlier point in the pandemic.
  - zamalek 5y ago
    Modern medicine weights the benefit of a treatment against its side effects. Chemotherapy, as one example, absolutely ravages a person but the alternative (ongoing cancer) is significantly worse: that is why chemotherapy is a recommended treatment for cancer. The current consensus is that we shouldn't be intentionally infecting ourselves with COVID as an inoculation. The side effects of this treatment aren't well understood and we have evidence that they can be pretty bad (long COVID). Remember that we are currently only counting deaths. You should continue to do everything in your power to avoid catching COVID... and vaccinate, obviously.
    - PathOfEclipse 5y ago
      The death counts aren't even accurate: https://www.dailywire.com/news/jordan-peterson-absolutely-no-excuse-cdc-director-cant-say-how-many-deaths-are-from-covid-versus-with-covid?itm_source=parsely-api https://www.dailywire.com/news/jordan-peterson-absolutely-no.... And the evidence that long COVID is generally bad is lacking as well. The virus has no doubt been bad for many groups of people, but when the leading cause of death in the U.S. for adults 45 and under is drug overdose from a single drug, fentanyl, and when the excess deaths over the pandemic from suicides far outstrips COVID deaths for teenagers, it's time to pause and reconsider health from a more holistic perspective. COVID kills the elderly and those with a few other comorbidities like obesity and diabetes, but, for many, the risk factor is too low to justify the outrage people have over the unvaccinated, as much as it is the fault of the media and the established government for stoking this outrage.
      - zamalek 5y ago
        The outrage over the vaccinated is equally as high, case in point: I was talking about intentionally catching it.
- ihsw 5y ago
- deleted 5y ago
  [deleted]
- xiphias2 5y ago
  Why not? I'm triple vaccinated with Pfizer, and I was seriously considering getting infected. I still don't see any data on hospitalization rate between getting infected with delta vs omicron variant for triple vaccinated people. At the same time getting infected with a variant would prepare my body for newer mutations.
- ifyoubuildit 5y ago
  How many people out there do you think are making that decision? In order for them to do so, they would have had to avoid being vaccinated and getting infected this whole time. There just aren't that many of these people left at this point. There are however millions upon millions of people who have already gone through the ordeal of an infection and are tired of being harassed, badgered, shamed, attacked, etc, even after the talking heads are finally admitting that these people are not the plague rats they led everyone to believe they are.
nerevarthelame 5y ago
"Natural immunity" is lining the pockets of gravediggers and coffin makers. Imagine if Pfizer's vaccine caused 7,000+ deaths every day.
bryanlarsen 5y ago
Pfizer will make a lot more money if you need Pavloxid to treat your COVID than it would have made from the vaccine.

lghh 5y ago

Love catching a virus so I don't catch a virus.

whatshisface 5y ago
Sources are divided on the statistics, but catching Omnicron so you don't catch Delta would be a winning trade (not a big a win as catching one-time-use mRNA, haha, but we're talking strict economics.)
- lghh 5y ago
  Fair, but you don't get to choose what you catch and it's extremely unlikely (like, < .001% in the US) that you'll catch Delta instead of Omicron. I'd for sure choose Omicron, though.
  - whatshisface 5y ago
    I think the "Omnicron will protect us" statements are meant to be understood by comparison to a counterfactual world where there's only Delta.
bpodgursky 5y ago
The snark is unwarranted, because there's actually a huge benefit to reducing your ability to be infectious to the people around you. It allows you to live your life without social distancing and without any risk to people you engage with.
- lghh 5y ago
  But to do that you first have to become infectious, right? I'm no longer being snarky, I'm curious what I'm missing in the thought process.
  - bpodgursky 5y ago
    Sure, so you become infectious and quarantine for 10 days (at a time you can test and control), and then don't have to worry about it in the future. Removes a burden going forward.