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> Plus how long did MacOS diverge from FreeBSD? 20+ years ago? Does it even resemble current FreeBSD enough that this observation makes sense, except from a sof

> Plus how long did MacOS diverge from FreeBSD? 20+ years ago? Does it even resemble current FreeBSD enough that this observation makes sense, except from a software history perspective? You'll always find people who'll say that Android and ChromeOS are Linux distributions and MacOS is based on FreeBSD. I guess it makes them feel good.

nix23 5y ago
>Android and ChromeOS are Linux distributions They are, but they are not GNU/Linux...Alpine is not Gnu/Linux too, but BusyBox/musl/Linux, maybe it makes others sad that you don't know the difference. >MacOS is based on FreeBSD. I guess it makes them feel good For years exactly that was written on Apples own macOSX page, but you know it better right? https://web.archive.org/web/20090207062005/https://www.apple.com/server/macosx/technology/unix.html https://web.archive.org/web/20090207062005/https://www.apple... >>Mac OS X Server is based largely on the FreeBSD distribution and includes the latest advances from this development community. https://web.archive.org/web/20090205151917/http://images.apple.com/server/macosx/docs/L355782B_SvrFund_TB.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20090205151917/http://images.app... >> Kernel based on FreeBSD and Mach 3.0 https://web.archive.org/web/20081230112742/http://images.apple.com/macosx/pdf/L355785C_UNIX_TB.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20081230112742/http://images.app... >>The Mac OS X kernel at the heart of Darwin is based on FreeBSD 5 and Mach 3.0 Have Fun :)
- ayushnix 5y ago
  > Alpine is not Gnu/Linux too, but BusyBox/musl/Linux, maybe it makes others sad that you don't know the difference. I'm more concerned with the practical significance of calling Android or ChromeOS a Linux distribution than being pedantic for the history books. Sure, Alpine doesn't use the usual userland you'll find on most Linux distributions but it isn't an alien experience and you can use it mostly like any other Linux distribution out there. You'll still find a POSIX shell and a package manager to install packages. There's Xorg or Wayland for the GUI and you'll find familiar desktop environments and window managers. Unlike Android, you won't find absence of root access on Alpine. There's no restriction on placement of data on directories like /usr and /var. You won't find dozens of UIDs for different processes running at the same time on a single user system. You can't just slap Android on any hardware x86_64 hardware you want and expect it to work fine. Hell, you can't even do that on ARM devices if you're not using out-of-tree patches and firmware blobs. The bluetooth and audio stack on Android is completely different than what you'll use on any Linux distribution. So yeah, if we're being pedantic, sure, Android is a Linux distribution because it uses the Linux kernel. Good luck using it like a typical Linux distribution though. > For years exactly that was written on Apples own macOSX page, but you know it better right? What I wrote above. Sure, pages written decades ago indicate that the Apple used FreeBSD as its base for its kernel but I doubt their kernel is anything close to upstream FreeBSD at this point. The same goes for their userland and graphics stack. Would you call OrbisOS, used by PS4, a distribution of FreeBSD? Can you do anything meaningful with it like you can with FreeBSD?
  - nix23 5y ago
    >>Would you call OrbisOS, used by PS4, a distribution of FreeBSD? No one said that, and no one said MacOS is a FreeBSD distribution, you where wrong an now you try too put your half-knowledge into other mouths. You can stop now.
    - ayushnix 5y ago
      > >>Would you call OrbisOS, used by PS4, a distribution of FreeBSD? > you where wrong an now you try too put your half-knowledge into other mouths. > You can stop now. Nice job being condescending and rude.
      - nix23 5y ago
        Congratulation for still not understanding what a distribution is.
nix23 5y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS#Mac_OS_X_10.5_Leopard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS#Mac_OS_X_10.5_Leopard >>It was also the first BSD-based OS to receive UNIX 03 certification
- edgyquant 5y ago
  Yes Mac is a BSD but isn’t FreeBSD as it was forked two decades ago and has a completely different architecture. You wouldn’t say Dragonfly is FreeBSD, why would MacOS be?
  - nix23 5y ago
    >Yes Mac is a BSD but isn’t FreeBSD No one said that ever....
Dylan16807 5y ago
> You'll always find people who'll say that Android and ChromeOS are Linux distributions and MacOS is based on FreeBSD. I guess it makes them feel good. A "linux distribution" just requires the kernel, and the version they use isn't that modified. If you want a wrong statement, it would have to be more like saying they're the same distribution as the internal builds used by Android Inc. in 2005.

nix23 5y ago

>Android and ChromeOS are Linux distributions They are, but they are not GNU/Linux...Alpine is not Gnu/Linux too, but BusyBox/musl/Linux, maybe it makes others sad that you don't know the difference. >MacOS is based on FreeBSD. I guess it makes them feel good For years exactly that was written on Apples own macOSX page, but you know it better right? https://web.archive.org/web/20090207062005/https://www.apple.com/server/macosx/technology/unix.html https://web.archive.org/web/20090207062005/https://www.apple... >>Mac OS X Server is based largely on the FreeBSD distribution and includes the latest advances from this development community. https://web.archive.org/web/20090205151917/http://images.apple.com/server/macosx/docs/L355782B_SvrFund_TB.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20090205151917/http://images.app... >> Kernel based on FreeBSD and Mach 3.0 https://web.archive.org/web/20081230112742/http://images.apple.com/macosx/pdf/L355785C_UNIX_TB.pdf https://web.archive.org/web/20081230112742/http://images.app... >>The Mac OS X kernel at the heart of Darwin is based on FreeBSD 5 and Mach 3.0 Have Fun :)

ayushnix 5y ago
> Alpine is not Gnu/Linux too, but BusyBox/musl/Linux, maybe it makes others sad that you don't know the difference. I'm more concerned with the practical significance of calling Android or ChromeOS a Linux distribution than being pedantic for the history books. Sure, Alpine doesn't use the usual userland you'll find on most Linux distributions but it isn't an alien experience and you can use it mostly like any other Linux distribution out there. You'll still find a POSIX shell and a package manager to install packages. There's Xorg or Wayland for the GUI and you'll find familiar desktop environments and window managers. Unlike Android, you won't find absence of root access on Alpine. There's no restriction on placement of data on directories like /usr and /var. You won't find dozens of UIDs for different processes running at the same time on a single user system. You can't just slap Android on any hardware x86_64 hardware you want and expect it to work fine. Hell, you can't even do that on ARM devices if you're not using out-of-tree patches and firmware blobs. The bluetooth and audio stack on Android is completely different than what you'll use on any Linux distribution. So yeah, if we're being pedantic, sure, Android is a Linux distribution because it uses the Linux kernel. Good luck using it like a typical Linux distribution though. > For years exactly that was written on Apples own macOSX page, but you know it better right? What I wrote above. Sure, pages written decades ago indicate that the Apple used FreeBSD as its base for its kernel but I doubt their kernel is anything close to upstream FreeBSD at this point. The same goes for their userland and graphics stack. Would you call OrbisOS, used by PS4, a distribution of FreeBSD? Can you do anything meaningful with it like you can with FreeBSD?
- nix23 5y ago
  >>Would you call OrbisOS, used by PS4, a distribution of FreeBSD? No one said that, and no one said MacOS is a FreeBSD distribution, you where wrong an now you try too put your half-knowledge into other mouths. You can stop now.
  - ayushnix 5y ago
    > >>Would you call OrbisOS, used by PS4, a distribution of FreeBSD? > you where wrong an now you try too put your half-knowledge into other mouths. > You can stop now. Nice job being condescending and rude.
    - nix23 5y ago
      Congratulation for still not understanding what a distribution is.

nix23 5y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS#Mac_OS_X_10.5_Leopard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacOS#Mac_OS_X_10.5_Leopard >>It was also the first BSD-based OS to receive UNIX 03 certification

edgyquant 5y ago
Yes Mac is a BSD but isn’t FreeBSD as it was forked two decades ago and has a completely different architecture. You wouldn’t say Dragonfly is FreeBSD, why would MacOS be?
- nix23 5y ago
  >Yes Mac is a BSD but isn’t FreeBSD No one said that ever....

Dylan16807 5y ago

> You'll always find people who'll say that Android and ChromeOS are Linux distributions and MacOS is based on FreeBSD. I guess it makes them feel good. A "linux distribution" just requires the kernel, and the version they use isn't that modified. If you want a wrong statement, it would have to be more like saying they're the same distribution as the internal builds used by Android Inc. in 2005.