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I work at Microsoft (not on Azure) and run Tor relays. My Tor Exit hosts are Psychz Networks, Terrahost, and OVH, along with a middle relay on CenturyLink Fiber
by neelc 5y ago
I work at Microsoft (not on Azure) and run Tor relays. My Tor Exit hosts are Psychz Networks, Terrahost, and OVH, along with a middle relay on CenturyLink Fiber.
Why? Azure egress bandwidth is too expensive for a Tor relay, even for a well-paid software engineer like me. I have ~1.5 Gbps Tor bandwidth. If I were to put that on Azure, I would be paying a mortgage worth of bandwidth fees. Same can apply to AWS and Google Cloud.
However, Big Clouds charge more for bandwidth because (a) they're a leader and (b) they have paid peering deals with Big Telecom (e.g. AT&T, Deutsche Telekom, Telefonica, etc.). Smaller hosts like Hetzner don't peer with those ISPs and rely on "transit", but that also means slightly worse performance to Big Telecom.
In short, big clouds can use their market power and advanced technology to command a premium, whereas smaller clouds have to win over customers with lower prices to make up.
Tor relays are ill-suited for Big Clouds, but then your 5000-node Kubernetes cluster is ill-suited for OVH or Hetzner.
I do use the free Azure credit for Tor Bridges, however.
- josephcsible 5y ago> However, Big Clouds charge more for bandwidth because [...] they have paid peering deals with Big Telecom (e.g. AT&T, Deutsche Telekom, Telefonica, etc.). Smaller hosts like Hetzner don't peer with those ISPs and rely on "transit" Wait, this seems backwards to me. I'd expect companies that can peer with Big Telecom to charge you less for bandwidth than companies that have to pay for transit. What am I missing?
- tracker1 5y agoThey aren't paying more, they're charging more.
- solarkraft 5y agoI'm not sure about the others, but as a Deutsche Telekom customer I have discovered that they actually want to be paid for peering deals through occasionally extremely slow connections.
- MaKey 5y agoNice web service you've got there...would be a shame if it was slow for a lot of your users, right? I still can't believe that there is no regulation in place to prevent this sort of racketeering.
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