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"The trial" by Kafka needs to be required reading for everyone involved in implementing systems like this.

capableweb 5y ago
Most likely the people actually implementing this system did raise potential issues to their supervisors. It's not the implementer that needs more education, it is the people who drive the implementer that needs better education in how to design systems. But since it probably doesn't affect the bottom-line, it's unlikely to actually happen.
- miohtama 5y ago
  There probably was risk discussion involved in some point of feature implementation. Lawyers got involved and the discussion likely went like this 1) DMCA Safe Harbor gives us, Google, unlimited protection 2) What are the users going to do any case? Sue us? Migrate to Microsoft Office 365? The minuscule amount of issues caused on 0.1% users is not going to hit our bottom line and the users cannot damage us. 3) We offer key account manager services for organizations large enough that could cause stir (Spotify size)
  - forgotmypw17 5y ago
    4) We have 1 billion users and 1 million reports of copyright infringement per day, which we have to address according to the DMCA somehow.
  - kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
    If the full DMCA process was implemented, takedowns could be immediately reverted and then the trolls would have to use the court system as intended. Abusive behavior from bad actors could then be addressed.
    - IshKebab 5y ago
      This isn't a DMCA takedown.
      - miohtama 5y ago
        This is actually a fair point. Thus, this should limit Google’s escape intoany safe harbour. Though still leaves the problem who is going to go after Google for them locking users out from their own files.
newsbinator 5y ago
Or "Catch-22" by Heller: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22
- robocat 5y ago
  A wonderful comedy. I presumed it was American literature, so I had avoided reading it because that isn’t a category that interests me by default, but decided to read it and I had a good laugh. Easy to pick up cheaply second hand. I don’t really think the book is relevant to this discussion though.
kwhitefoot 5y ago
And RMS' Right to Read: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html
tinus_hn 5y ago
Really? They don’t need any more ideas!

Most likely the people actually implementing this system did raise potential issues to their supervisors. It's not the implementer that needs more education, it is the people who drive the implementer that needs better education in how to design systems. But since it probably doesn't affect the bottom-line, it's unlikely to actually happen.

miohtama 5y ago
There probably was risk discussion involved in some point of feature implementation. Lawyers got involved and the discussion likely went like this 1) DMCA Safe Harbor gives us, Google, unlimited protection 2) What are the users going to do any case? Sue us? Migrate to Microsoft Office 365? The minuscule amount of issues caused on 0.1% users is not going to hit our bottom line and the users cannot damage us. 3) We offer key account manager services for organizations large enough that could cause stir (Spotify size)
- forgotmypw17 5y ago
  4) We have 1 billion users and 1 million reports of copyright infringement per day, which we have to address according to the DMCA somehow.
- kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
  If the full DMCA process was implemented, takedowns could be immediately reverted and then the trolls would have to use the court system as intended. Abusive behavior from bad actors could then be addressed.
  - IshKebab 5y ago
    This isn't a DMCA takedown.
    - miohtama 5y ago
      This is actually a fair point. Thus, this should limit Google’s escape intoany safe harbour. Though still leaves the problem who is going to go after Google for them locking users out from their own files.

newsbinator 5y ago

Or "Catch-22" by Heller: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catch-22

robocat 5y ago
A wonderful comedy. I presumed it was American literature, so I had avoided reading it because that isn’t a category that interests me by default, but decided to read it and I had a good laugh. Easy to pick up cheaply second hand. I don’t really think the book is relevant to this discussion though.

kwhitefoot 5y ago

And RMS' Right to Read: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html

tinus_hn 5y ago

Really? They don’t need any more ideas!