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Linux took many markets. The HPC, for example, has been 100% linux in TOP500 for a few years already. Monopoly by FLOSS is still monopoly. Healthy competition i
by marcodiego 5y ago
Linux took many markets. The HPC, for example, has been 100% linux in TOP500 for a few years already. Monopoly by FLOSS is still monopoly. Healthy competition is good for users and forces options to improve, see LLVM vs GCC.
To sum up: healthy FLOSS competition is welcome and needed.
- pjmlp 5y agoAgreed, if UNIX as concept is ever to evolve, it cannot be bound at UNIX === Linux that many now seem to consider.
- Shared404 5y agoI think it's somewhat to late for UNIX to evolve in general. There's too many decades of cruft and backwards compatibility built up. Afaict, most interesting new OS's being built right now are similar to UNIX, but very explicitly not.
- trenchgun 5y agoGNU is not UNIX, though.
- marcodiego 5y agoI don't know about UNIX per se, but consider Linux and MacOS progress in the last two decades. MacOS showed that it is possible for UNIX to be successful on the desktop. During the same period, Linux scaled from embedded computers and smartphones to supercomputers and servers. In terms of innovations, I'd bet MacOS has evolved too. Although "logical partitions"-like solutions were already known for some time, Linux made it widespread through containers; io_uring allows high throughput syscall-less zero-copy data transfer and futex2 allows to implement NT synchronization semantics that are very common in game development. All that ignoring just how much the desktop changed! The UNIX children are definitely not sitting still.
- Shared404 5y agoGood points all around, I stand corrected.
- Melatonic 5y agoI have always wondered what the world might be like if Apple had also focused big time on developing a server version of MacOS. I am very much not a fan of Apple as a company in general but I have always liked OSX quite a bit. Then again they would probably charge 10x as much for a 2U rackmount server where the main difference was a nice stainless steel front fascia...
- pjmlp 5y agoThey had two go's at it, A/UX and OS X Server, and ironically they do need servers for iCloud.
- kaladin-jasnah 5y agoWhat does iCloud run on?
- ksec 5y agoLinux. I remember someone from IS&T said Apple even forbid the usage of MacOS in their cloud platform.
- astrange 5y agomacOS’s best POSIX-level innovations are probably sandbox, xpc/launchd, and libdispatch. These have been copied elsewhere as Capsicum, systemd, and libuv (TBB?), but the originals are more consistently used.
- pjmlp 5y agoTo some extent you are right, however as POSIX actually won the server room it will stay around for decades to come, even when it is not fully exposed as you mention.
- marcodiego 5y agoHi pjmlp! This may not be the best place, but I have to. I'd like to tell you that, although we've had some disagreements on HN, I carry no bad feelings and, for as much as possible, have extreme respect for you and your opinions. I'm glad our previous disagreements don't prevent us from posting when we do agree.
- pjmlp 5y agoSure, most of the stuff I kind of rant about tend to be founded on experience, you will me seldom see ranting about stuff I never worked with on daily basis, and it always goes both ways, just like coins have two sides. So it ok to agree to disagree. :)
- ybloviator 5y agoI'm not a security guy, but monoculture always scared the shit out of me.