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> Azure|Amazon > Hetzner|Linode > Cloudflare Why not directly Hetzner|Linode > Cloudflare?

by XCSme 5y ago

nostrebored 5y ago
So that you incur as much downtime risk as possible, obviously. I hate these 'cloud economics' optimizations that people tend to try.
- ajmurmann 5y ago
  The best setup will forever remain Heroku free instance tier with a free Pingdom account providing traffic to keep it from getting shutdown
  - jeromegv 5y ago
    Free heroku as a maximum number of hours a day. The ping hack isn’t working anymore.
    - ajmurmann 5y ago
      Sorry, that comment want really serious and mostly a dolly example of bizarre cloud pricing hacking
- ipaddr 5y ago
  The risk that your service becomes faang popular and you suddenly need unlimited everything and need it immediately? It is possible but highly unlikely. The more likely scenerio is you just continue overpay like a lot of others waiting for the moment. If that moment happens you realize with the sudden popularity your store inventory is sold out so you couldn't profit off of the extra traffic anyhow.
  - squeaky-clean 5y ago
    No, downtime risk as in now you have 3 separate systems and organizations that can have unexpected downtime and consequently so will your app.
- Sebb767 5y ago
  There's a clear trade-off between downtime risk and cost explosion risk. For a hobby/non-profit project, risking the downtime to possibly save 7k€ plus surely saving the surcharge of "scalability" is definitely worth it.
nightpool 5y ago
Because Hetzner and Linode VPSs have fixed disk sizes, while Azure and AWS have basically infinite storage. You use your cheap commodity VPS as a cache, not a source-of-truth.
- XCSme 5y ago
  You can use block storage for scalable disk size: https://www.linode.com/products/block-storage/ https://www.linode.com/products/block-storage/
  - throwawaygh 5y ago
    But then you're right back to the cloud billing problem, right?
    - XCSme 5y ago
      That's right, auto-scaling comes with this problem, but at least you removed one extra service/point of failure.
      - bastawhiz 5y ago
        That's assuming you trust Linode block storage as much as you trust S3.
        XCSme 5y ago
        Trust in what sense? Uptime, security, privacy? I am not sure whether I can say I trust one or another, by personally I had a good experience with VPS/dedicated server providers, more than with cloud (AWS/GCP).
  - FpUser 5y ago
    Out of curiosity I tried to look up their pricing and the first thing I am greeted with when launching their price calculator is "you must allow functional cookies". I disabled all shields for their side and still the same thing. Waste of time

> Azure|Amazon > Hetzner|Linode > Cloudflare Why not directly Hetzner|Linode > Cloudflare?

by XCSme 5y ago

> Azure|Amazon > Hetzner|Linode > Cloudflare Why not directly Hetzner|Linode > Cloudflare?

So that you incur as much downtime risk as possible, obviously. I hate these 'cloud economics' optimizations that people tend to try.

ajmurmann 5y ago
The best setup will forever remain Heroku free instance tier with a free Pingdom account providing traffic to keep it from getting shutdown
- jeromegv 5y ago
  Free heroku as a maximum number of hours a day. The ping hack isn’t working anymore.
  - ajmurmann 5y ago
    Sorry, that comment want really serious and mostly a dolly example of bizarre cloud pricing hacking
ipaddr 5y ago
The risk that your service becomes faang popular and you suddenly need unlimited everything and need it immediately? It is possible but highly unlikely. The more likely scenerio is you just continue overpay like a lot of others waiting for the moment. If that moment happens you realize with the sudden popularity your store inventory is sold out so you couldn't profit off of the extra traffic anyhow.
- squeaky-clean 5y ago
  No, downtime risk as in now you have 3 separate systems and organizations that can have unexpected downtime and consequently so will your app.
Sebb767 5y ago
There's a clear trade-off between downtime risk and cost explosion risk. For a hobby/non-profit project, risking the downtime to possibly save 7k€ plus surely saving the surcharge of "scalability" is definitely worth it.

nightpool 5y ago

Because Hetzner and Linode VPSs have fixed disk sizes, while Azure and AWS have basically infinite storage. You use your cheap commodity VPS as a cache, not a source-of-truth.

XCSme 5y ago
You can use block storage for scalable disk size: https://www.linode.com/products/block-storage/ https://www.linode.com/products/block-storage/
- throwawaygh 5y ago
  But then you're right back to the cloud billing problem, right?
  - XCSme 5y ago
    That's right, auto-scaling comes with this problem, but at least you removed one extra service/point of failure.
    - bastawhiz 5y ago
      That's assuming you trust Linode block storage as much as you trust S3.
      - XCSme 5y ago
        Trust in what sense? Uptime, security, privacy? I am not sure whether I can say I trust one or another, by personally I had a good experience with VPS/dedicated server providers, more than with cloud (AWS/GCP).
- FpUser 5y ago
  Out of curiosity I tried to look up their pricing and the first thing I am greeted with when launching their price calculator is "you must allow functional cookies". I disabled all shields for their side and still the same thing. Waste of time