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I lost my remote job for being unvaccinated

15 points by bananapear 5y ago

bananapear 5y ago
"Danielle, who worked remotely for Citigroup from Missouri"
mdrzn 5y ago
- otabdeveloper4 5y ago
  > Was told to suck the boss' member or lose the job. She decided to not suck. Then don't complain. Clear choices have clear consequences.
  - 0xedd 5y ago
- faeriechangling 5y ago
  Was told to bribe the congressman or lose the job. She decided not to bribe. Then don't complain. Clear choices have clear consequences.
- mdrzn 5y ago
  My bad, I guess the title is just clickbait. I skimmed the article and didn't find the point you referenced to me, I figured out that she was just complaining about having to do a vaccine.
faeriechangling 5y ago
I see this as pretty cut and dry. It's none of the employers business to ensure that you're taking drugs, or that you're not taking drugs, if there isn't a legitimate workplace safety reason to do so. It's an unwarranted privacy violation to even ask. The article cites the risk of sick leave and health costs. There's no end to the amount of personal information on employees health you can gather or ultimatums you can dictate in the name of reducing sick leave and health costs.
- Arnt 5y ago
  Requiring all employees to be vaccinated means that any meeting or get-together can ignore any special rules for the unvaccinated. If the organisation sends people off for a course or workshop, the organisers don't need to consider the issue. That's nice organisational simplicity.
  - hallihax 5y ago
    Nice organisational simplicity would be to simply not have any special rules for the unvaccinated in the first place
    - Arnt 5y ago
      That's a matter for a different organisation. For many different organisations, if the organisation is a large one. If you organise a departmental meeting where n people travel to meet, perhaps once every month or year, the organisations that set the rules for that locale matters, not just your own. If you send some people to take part in a course at a vendor, the vendor sets rules. If you send people to a customer, the customer's rules apply. Each large company has basically three options: 1. Apply any unvaccinated-only rules to everyone, always. This is simple in principle, but can be bothersome in execution. 2. Require that everyone be vaccinated and don't bother about unvaccinated-only rules. This is also simple in principle, but hard on those who won't get a vaccine. 3. Keep track of who's who and what rules apply to each employee on an individual level. Other options exist in theory, e.g. "we'll close the shop in any jurisdictions that introduce any rules that apply only to the unvaccinated" but I dare say that this isn't realistic for even a medium-sized company, far less for one as large as this bank. Large companies have to accept that different rules apply depending on jurisdiction. Ditto for e.g. hotels when finding meeting space for a departmental get-together.
      - peteradio 5y ago
        How about a rule like: Don't bring Covid to work/work events. Seems a lot more aligned with the presumed goals.

15 points by bananapear 5y ago

bananapear 5y ago

"Danielle, who worked remotely for Citigroup from Missouri"

mdrzn 5y ago

otabdeveloper4 5y ago
> Was told to suck the boss' member or lose the job. She decided to not suck. Then don't complain. Clear choices have clear consequences.
- 0xedd 5y ago
faeriechangling 5y ago
Was told to bribe the congressman or lose the job. She decided not to bribe. Then don't complain. Clear choices have clear consequences.
mdrzn 5y ago
My bad, I guess the title is just clickbait. I skimmed the article and didn't find the point you referenced to me, I figured out that she was just complaining about having to do a vaccine.

faeriechangling 5y ago

I see this as pretty cut and dry. It's none of the employers business to ensure that you're taking drugs, or that you're not taking drugs, if there isn't a legitimate workplace safety reason to do so. It's an unwarranted privacy violation to even ask. The article cites the risk of sick leave and health costs. There's no end to the amount of personal information on employees health you can gather or ultimatums you can dictate in the name of reducing sick leave and health costs.

Arnt 5y ago
Requiring all employees to be vaccinated means that any meeting or get-together can ignore any special rules for the unvaccinated. If the organisation sends people off for a course or workshop, the organisers don't need to consider the issue. That's nice organisational simplicity.
- hallihax 5y ago
  Nice organisational simplicity would be to simply not have any special rules for the unvaccinated in the first place
  - Arnt 5y ago
    That's a matter for a different organisation. For many different organisations, if the organisation is a large one. If you organise a departmental meeting where n people travel to meet, perhaps once every month or year, the organisations that set the rules for that locale matters, not just your own. If you send some people to take part in a course at a vendor, the vendor sets rules. If you send people to a customer, the customer's rules apply. Each large company has basically three options: 1. Apply any unvaccinated-only rules to everyone, always. This is simple in principle, but can be bothersome in execution. 2. Require that everyone be vaccinated and don't bother about unvaccinated-only rules. This is also simple in principle, but hard on those who won't get a vaccine. 3. Keep track of who's who and what rules apply to each employee on an individual level. Other options exist in theory, e.g. "we'll close the shop in any jurisdictions that introduce any rules that apply only to the unvaccinated" but I dare say that this isn't realistic for even a medium-sized company, far less for one as large as this bank. Large companies have to accept that different rules apply depending on jurisdiction. Ditto for e.g. hotels when finding meeting space for a departmental get-together.
    - peteradio 5y ago
      How about a rule like: Don't bring Covid to work/work events. Seems a lot more aligned with the presumed goals.