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Wasn't aware of this, but can't say I'm surprised. Personally, I'm still happy with Fastmail, which uses customer subscriptions fees to fund a professional sup
by exolymph 5y ago
Wasn't aware of this, but can't say I'm surprised.
Personally, I'm still happy with Fastmail, which uses customer subscriptions fees to fund a professional support department, as well as contributing to email-related FOSS. (Among other things, obviously.)
- julianwachholz 5y agoLast week's news gave a lot of people the nudge they needed to finally migrate away from their legacy free GSuite accounts to something more reliable.
- devb 5y agoCan I ask which news? I'm already a happy Fastmail customer, just curious.
- JaimeThompson 5y agoThis [1] Neat fact, Google is yet to tell me they are making this change to my account. [1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/01/google-tells-free-g-suite-users-pay-up-or-lose-your-account/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/01/google-tells-free-g-...
- rootusrootus 5y agoYeah, I haven't gotten the official notification yet either. Maybe going in waves?
- julianwachholz 5y agoI disabled the GMail service in my GSuite account, will they honor the domain's current MX records? Because I know they don't for calendar invites.
- rootusrootus 5y agoNot that anyone will likely see this, but I just now finally got my notice from Google about this change.
- jrochkind1 5y agoSame. Has anyone heard of anyone who HAS gotten a notification?
- Cub3 5y agoSame here but I pre-emptively moved everything to Fastmail (coincidentally) anyway, was the nudge I needed to finally drop the last of my Google services
- rr808 5y agoWait what? This is the first I've heard of it. Bad timing.
- GeorgeWBasic 5y agoThere was an HN discussion about it here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29996432 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29996432 People are pissed.
- rootusrootus 5y agoYep. I've been a Fastmail customer for a while with a couple of my own personal accounts, but our family e-mail domain was a legacy GSuite account. I'd get pushback from my brothers when I'd suggest we switched to a paid service, because they didn't want to pony up for email accounts for their kids. Cheapskates :). But now Google is forcing the issue, and Fastmail is cheaper. And they have a $3/month account which is good for the kids who don't get tons of email.
- emerongi 5y agoFastmail's UI is just faster too.
- bamboozled 5y agoI actually enjoy watching it tender at light speed!
- 0xbadcafebee 5y agoIt's too bad their app doesn't have offline support. I use that feature of Gmail app a lot
- bpye 5y agoOn iOS and macOS I just use the standard Mail.app. Works well and even push notifications work.
- xxpor 5y agoIME, that's my biggest complaint. Even plain text emails take 2+ seconds to load.
- Throwawayaerlei 5y agoSomethings wrong or suboptimal for you. Just tested this in the middle of the US with some messages from years ago to make sure they weren't cached and it was like 2-3 tenths of a second.
- ipaddr 5y agoDo they offer an api?
- blibble 5y agoyes, and it makes the gmail API look like a toy https://fastmail.blog/open-technologies/jmap-new-email-open-standard/ https://fastmail.blog/open-technologies/jmap-new-email-open-...
- wirelesspotat 5y ago1password have an interesting article about integrating with FastMail using JMAP: https://blog.1password.com/making-masked-email-with-jmap/ https://blog.1password.com/making-masked-email-with-jmap/
- pmlnr 5y agoYou mean IMAP and SMTP protocols, right?
- agrover 5y agoAnd JMAP.
- ipaddr 5y agoI mean an api like mailgun
- brongondwana 5y agoThat's more for sending email. There's two APIs for sending: SMTP and JMAP. Both work completely fine, and have the same overall sending rate limits. We (Fastmail) are set up for human-to-human emails rather than bulk mailing, so if you try to do bulk mailing you're likely to hit limits and possibly terms of service issues - if you're trying to do the kind of thing that people use mailgun for, then I'd recommend using something like mailgun instead!
- austhrow743 5y agoHave you used Fastmail's support?
- PaulHoule 5y agoYes. It’s great!
- austhrow743 5y agoGood to hear. I’ve been with them for a few years and support was one of the reasons I moved over from Gmail but I’ve never actually needed it.
- theothersen 5y agoI tried it, they are responsive and helpful. A bug I reported is actually sent to the development team, and it's fixed. It took 5 weeks, though.
- Semaphor 5y agoHah, I had a bug/request for clarification (their rewriting of media queries), it got escalated 2 times to the dev team, and it took 2 or 3 weeks to get that answer :D Had one other contact that was handled by normal support, that was just a day.
- exolymph 5y agoI have, yes, and the response was swift and helpful!
- Hard_Space 5y agoYes - it was almost instantaneous, super helpful.
- baobabKoodaa 5y agoI'm also a happy customer of Fastmail. Can recommend.
- hedgehog 5y agoI'm still a happy Fastmail customer after around 17 years.
- miles 5y agoFastmail looks great, but having "Get the email features you need, without giving up your privacy" and "Your data is always private" at the top of their homepage while knowing full well that is far from the case[0,1] seems disingenuous. [0] FastMail loses customers, faces calls to move over anti-encryption laws https://www.itnews.com.au/news/fastmail-loses-customers-faces-calls-to-move-over-anti-encryption-laws-519783 https://www.itnews.com.au/news/fastmail-loses-customers-face... [1] Goodbye FastMail https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/goodbye-fastmail.html https://www.ctrl.blog/entry/goodbye-fastmail.html
- YPPH 5y agoFastmail is not a zero-knowledge service. Unless I'm missing something, anti-encryption laws seem to be irrelevant, since they don't really change the position at all. I suppose hypothetically if Fastmail was a zero-knowledge service that law might mean they need to break it, but it's not a zero-knowledge service so the issue doesn't arise. You're going to be hard pressed to find a service provider which ignores valid warrants. Such a service provider would need to either operate unlawfully, or not hold the information (ie be zero-knowledge). Even Protonmail, the bastion of email privacy, has supplied the IP address of a user in the face of a warrant.[0] [0] https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/06/protonmail-logged-ip-address-of-french-activist-after-order-by-swiss-authorities/ https://techcrunch.com/2021/09/06/protonmail-logged-ip-addre...
- sascha_sl 5y agoYou are never safe from these shenanigans, not in Switzerland and not in Germany. If you absolutely must have email out of the hands of low to mid grade government entities you need to implement the technical solutions yourself. If you want more, just forget it, if they want your mail they'll just get it at your endpoint anyway. (also, "most email is unencrypted in transit" is a very out of date take, I've checked all correspondence I've had with medical practicioners in the past 2 years, and all where at least TLS 1.2 on the transport, close to half 1.3 - and i was sent around quite a lot last year)
- kyboren 5y ago> If you absolutely must have email out of the hands of low to mid grade government entities you need to implement the technical solutions yourself. Very off-topic, but this is exactly the most important and consistently underappreciated angle to the Hillary Clinton email server scandal. She deliberately designed her team's communications infrastructure to be maximally resistant to legal process. I don't want to make this political, it just bugs me that media coverage--regardless of political slant--always seems focused on irrelevant details and ignores what (arguably) makes it an actual scandal.
- dddddaviddddd 5y agoI moved my email to Fastmail this week in the wake of the Google Apps announcement. Having your own domain is great since your email becomes provider-agnostic. While Fastmail had a great import tool, I could have transferred my Gmail myself from backups. I'll be ready to do the same if Fastmail goes under or is no longer competitive.
- rssoconnor 5y agoI've heard this from a several posts this week. Genuine question: since maintaining GSuite is expect to cost $6/user/month and Fastmail costs $5/user/month, do you really find the $1/user/month in savings worth the trouble of moving email providers and losing Drive/Docs etc.? I'm planning a move too, but Fastmail's price doesn't strike me as competitive enough compared to Google's price. Amazon WorkMail is $4/user/month and Rackspace Email is $3/user/month.
- gquiniou 5y agoFastmail is doing only email and has been doing it for a long time. I simply trust them more to care for their users and for me it is worth the price.
- dddddaviddddd 5y agoThere's going to be a lot of hassle, but I'm planning to move many of the Google services to old Gmail accounts. To some extent it's more of a justification to reduce reliance on Google. When running the numbers I was initially confused about the pricing for Gsuite and thought "standard" was the lowest tier ($10/month/user), so it's not the most strategic decision price-wise.
- pkulak 5y agoI moved my family to Fastmail a couple months ago and it’s been wonderful. Never knew I wanted “shared contacts”, but it’s the best feature ever. Once I figured out it existed, I spent a couple days making really good cards for family members and family friends, and all that work is shared with the whole family.
- rattray 5y agofor others curious what this feature is: https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/1500000279721-Shared-Contacts https://www.fastmail.help/hc/en-us/articles/1500000279721-Sh... > Sharing contacts is an easy way to let all users in an account have access to common address book entries. > Businesses can share their corporate directory easily. Families can share contact information of extended family members.
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- kilroy123 5y agoI too have used Fastmail for over a year now, but I do wish they would add a few much needed features.
- cassidoo 5y agoWould you mind sharing which features are missing that you miss?
- kilroy123 5y ago- A phone app that can handle being offline. (the biggest issue IMO) - I want better parsing of dates, so I can click on them, and add to my calendar. - The calendar needs to be able to show more than one timezone at the same time. - Have a way to create a secondary icon on your phone to go to the calendar. (You have to click multiple buttons) - An iOS calendar widget would also be great.