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Badly written, one person's experience, etc etc etc. Mostly complaining about issues with Linux, not actually about the Framework laptop. Not worthy of the fron

Badly written, one person's experience, etc etc etc. Mostly complaining about issues with Linux, not actually about the Framework laptop. Not worthy of the front page here. And server fell over with just a few visitors. https://web.archive.org/web/20220122213559/https://dche.cx/framework-vs-apple/ https://web.archive.org/web/20220122213559/https://dche.cx/f...

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dmitriid 5y ago
> complaining about issues with Linux, not actually about the Framework laptop If Linux distributions advertised as working out of the box by developers of Framework don't work as advertised... is it only about Linux, or is it about Framework Laptop, too? Are there other operating systems that can run on it? And the author does mention scouring Framework Laptop forums for answers to his problems and finding people reporting the same issues.
- viraptor 5y ago
  We never learned from the post if the touchpad issue was system related or hardware. Same for the brightness adjustment. > Are there other operating systems that can run on it? All the standard ones. Windows too.
  - aunty_helen 5y ago
    The touchpad issue is multiplatform from what I've gathered on the Framework forums. Unfortunately I can't test this on windows, as I mentioned, this is a work tool for me so just torrenting a windows iso isn't an option and I don't want to pay out 190USD to test something that may or may not be dependent on the OS. Windows also isn't an option as it's not suitable for the development that I do. So any of the problems that I encounter on linux that aren't supported ultimately become a mute point as I can't switch. Given that Framework support Fedora and aren't a Windows only laptop, I would ask you this, what is a laptop but the hardware and software it runs? They've been working with Fedora to get things right, but they still have more work to do as per the post and my explanatory comments here. Brightness adjustment I just disabled, literally not going to spend any more time on that as it would be disabled anyway.
    - viraptor 5y ago
      > and I don't want to pay out 190USD to test Windows can be downloaded and installed for free these days. You've got a month for activation. Regardless of the opinion on systems, I was interested whether the touchpad issues are going to be fixed with time on this model (software problem), or not (hardware problem).
aunty_helen 5y ago
Hey thanks for commenting, this is the first blog post I've done and I know it's a little rough around the edges. (it's also running a free tier gcp that I was watching if it was keeping up but called away) I've written this blog post from the point of view of the first few days of use. I've had it for about 2 weeks now and haven't really wanted to migrate over. As for it being one person's experience, unfortunately not. If you search any of the issues you'll find people on the framework forums complaining about the same things.
- mthoms 5y ago
  Congrats for publishing your first blog post. It's a big step. >The other thing I really dislike about Apple is their stance on privacy. They're bad, like really bad on privacy. Despite the advertising hypocrisy, which since the porn filter debacle has been bunk, whenever you have your mac connected to the internet most of what you're doing is being recorded. There is literally 30+ daemon processes constantly phoning home and doing all sorts of telemetry. Suggestion: You should have left this bit out or provided citations. It's such a gross exaggeration that it leans into tin-foil hat territory IMHO. I'm curious about your experience with framework but I couldn't get past this part.
  - jimjambw 5y ago
    "They're bad, like really bad on privacy." That's an odd thing to say about a company so well known for its privacy stance the FBI tried to shame Apple to get backdoors put in after the San Bernardino massacre and they said no.
  - aunty_helen 5y ago
    Hey thanks, here's the details on that: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29229881#29230318 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29229881#29230318
    - mthoms 5y ago
      Where does it explain/prove that "most of what you are doing" is being recorded. That's a really bold claim. I understand that launching apps pings an apple server to check certificates (for example) but I've never heard much of anything more egregious than that. The phrase "most of what you're doing" implies recording keystrokes, web browsing history + clicks (and so on).

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dmitriid 5y ago

> complaining about issues with Linux, not actually about the Framework laptop If Linux distributions advertised as working out of the box by developers of Framework don't work as advertised... is it only about Linux, or is it about Framework Laptop, too? Are there other operating systems that can run on it? And the author does mention scouring Framework Laptop forums for answers to his problems and finding people reporting the same issues.

viraptor 5y ago
We never learned from the post if the touchpad issue was system related or hardware. Same for the brightness adjustment. > Are there other operating systems that can run on it? All the standard ones. Windows too.
- aunty_helen 5y ago
  The touchpad issue is multiplatform from what I've gathered on the Framework forums. Unfortunately I can't test this on windows, as I mentioned, this is a work tool for me so just torrenting a windows iso isn't an option and I don't want to pay out 190USD to test something that may or may not be dependent on the OS. Windows also isn't an option as it's not suitable for the development that I do. So any of the problems that I encounter on linux that aren't supported ultimately become a mute point as I can't switch. Given that Framework support Fedora and aren't a Windows only laptop, I would ask you this, what is a laptop but the hardware and software it runs? They've been working with Fedora to get things right, but they still have more work to do as per the post and my explanatory comments here. Brightness adjustment I just disabled, literally not going to spend any more time on that as it would be disabled anyway.
  - viraptor 5y ago
    > and I don't want to pay out 190USD to test Windows can be downloaded and installed for free these days. You've got a month for activation. Regardless of the opinion on systems, I was interested whether the touchpad issues are going to be fixed with time on this model (software problem), or not (hardware problem).

aunty_helen 5y ago

Hey thanks for commenting, this is the first blog post I've done and I know it's a little rough around the edges. (it's also running a free tier gcp that I was watching if it was keeping up but called away) I've written this blog post from the point of view of the first few days of use. I've had it for about 2 weeks now and haven't really wanted to migrate over. As for it being one person's experience, unfortunately not. If you search any of the issues you'll find people on the framework forums complaining about the same things.

mthoms 5y ago
Congrats for publishing your first blog post. It's a big step. >The other thing I really dislike about Apple is their stance on privacy. They're bad, like really bad on privacy. Despite the advertising hypocrisy, which since the porn filter debacle has been bunk, whenever you have your mac connected to the internet most of what you're doing is being recorded. There is literally 30+ daemon processes constantly phoning home and doing all sorts of telemetry. Suggestion: You should have left this bit out or provided citations. It's such a gross exaggeration that it leans into tin-foil hat territory IMHO. I'm curious about your experience with framework but I couldn't get past this part.
- jimjambw 5y ago
  "They're bad, like really bad on privacy." That's an odd thing to say about a company so well known for its privacy stance the FBI tried to shame Apple to get backdoors put in after the San Bernardino massacre and they said no.
- aunty_helen 5y ago
  Hey thanks, here's the details on that: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29229881#29230318 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29229881#29230318
  - mthoms 5y ago
    Where does it explain/prove that "most of what you are doing" is being recorded. That's a really bold claim. I understand that launching apps pings an apple server to check certificates (for example) but I've never heard much of anything more egregious than that. The phrase "most of what you're doing" implies recording keystrokes, web browsing history + clicks (and so on).