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Really disappointed in many of the negative and insecure comments coming from members of this community saying “Ohio sucks” or “Ohio State University sucks beca

Really disappointed in many of the negative and insecure comments coming from members of this community saying “Ohio sucks” or “Ohio State University sucks because it’s not Stanford” or “how many startups does Ohio have”. It really reflects poorly on those making these comments and I can’t help but think seeing a state not on the east or west coast being selected is causing fear and uncertainty in the lives of those who wrap up their personality in being in California or something. People in Ohio are excited about this and all of the negativity, frankly, is just unwelcome. Think the Midwest and Ohio suck because there aren’t mountains or an ocean? What good is any of that from behind your keyboard with the A/C on or sitting on your couch watching the same Netflix special as everyone else? Meanwhile in 5 hours I can be on your beach and enjoying all the best parts of where you live with 0 downside. Think Ohio State sucks? Right because Stanford has always been a top 5 university from day one and everything is static forever. Intel employs “low skill people and they’re not startup software engineering jobs” ok? What actual value does your privacy-evading ad tech addiction company add over honest people who just want a job making actual things? I guess Tesla employs low skill people in Austin at the Gigafactory too? Don’t like Ohio? Good we don’t care. You don’t have to live here and we have never needed to care about your opinion. You don’t have a monopoly on talent or anything else except maybe people who think that because their license plate says something different that somehow they’re better than us. Seriously grow up. -edit- It’s not just comments here. Here’s one out in the wild: https://twitter.com/terronk/status/1484599015828176898?s=21 https://twitter.com/terronk/status/1484599015828176898?s=21 Piss off. And you know what? For all those comments “blah blah there’s only family to move there for” like yea. Exactly. Maybe you should too. I don’t have to get my social life from doomscrolling on Facebook and making myself depressed. I actually have friends and family that I see everyday and can count on. We cook meals together and help each other. We play board games, celebrate birthdays, and like being near each other. These social media apps are filling a void that you created for yourself. I like visiting California and can live there if I want to. I choose my family and friends. Maybe you should too and get off your holier-than-thou attitude.

shroompasta 5y ago
I may be wrong, but I'm assuming one of the cardinal factors in the location came down to the cheapest labor they could find. Competing with labor, in terms of willingness to work for a low wage, against Asia is next to impossible for these fabs.
- ericmay 5y ago
  Balanced with other things I think. Ohio doesn’t have the cheapest labor in the US. Probably would be cheaper in Mississippi or maybe Georgia or Tennessee but I’m not sure.
- mNovak 5y ago
  Everyone is claiming this a race to the bottom on labor, but I'm not sure about that. Sure it's probably cheap compared to SV, but there are cheaper places too. The state is claiming the average salary for the fab workers is going to be $135k. Maybe I'm missing something, but that's a very comfortable life in this part of the country.
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  - BurningFrog 5y ago
    [opinion] We should race to the bottom, and employ the poorest people possible!
  - thehappypm 5y ago
    I wouldn’t call it a race to the bottom. It’s more about a large workforce that’s educated and has some skills and a culture for making things, and also doesn’t need $300k to buy a house.
- cjenkins 5y ago
  How much does the cost of labor really factor into a 20B factory? Assume 200k fully loaded at 3000 people is 600M a year on labor. That's not nothing but it seems pretty insignificant if you can save enough on the actual buildout of the fab(s).
alfalfasprout 5y ago
Honestly this is one of the things I couldn't stand about the bay area. Tons of people that think they're hot stuff and the rest of the country is a dump pile. It reflects in HN comments all the time. The reality is Ohio State is actually a good university and there's really solid talent out there too. You also have Chicago not all that far away that's a big talent hub.
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- coldtea 5y ago
  >and the rest of the country is a dump pile Which is especially ironic, considered how much of a shithole San Francisco has become
  - FullyFunctional 5y ago
    This is getting old. I've lived in the Bay Area for 20+ years and guess what, the Bay Area != San Francisco (I personally go to SF less than once every two years).
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        Indeed how? If they really mean SF, then write that. Bay Area is much greater and much more than SF. San Jose alone is larger in area and people than SF and Bay Area is much much more than San Jose. I'm trying to spread awareness to people not from here that the two things aren't the same at all. It's bad enough that media convulsively regurgitate the same tired fallacy repeatedly.
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forinti 5y ago
It's way better than putting another fab on the ring of fire.
almost_usual 5y ago
defaultname 5y ago
Scanned this submission several times today, never seeing a single negative comment about Ohio. I did chuckle at one pro-Ohio that basically said it's a great place because it has [list of things that every metropolitan everywhere has], but whatever. After seeing your comment I dug through the comments and found a single negative comment that is clearly written by someone from and in Ohio.
- ericmay 5y ago
  Here's a few just with a quick glance: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30029310 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30027858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30026358 Maybe you don't interpret these as negative. That's ok. Idk. Seem negative to me without really adding any value and that's not counting just general, unwarranted cynicism: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30029732 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30026680 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30029025 (as if that's some metric that we need to really care about)
  - ksec 5y ago
    Out of 430 comments, there are bound to be some negative comments. Some of them may be valid ( Not a place they want to live is not against Ohio, but an opinion ) , some of them are not. But that is still less than 10 comments. >unwarranted cynicism The vast majority are questioning Ohio not because of negativity or cynicism but curiosity. Why Ohio, why not other state? Are there important strategic reasons? Some of them are calling out Tax Break, that is a fair point, but aren't there Tax Break elsewhere? I did a quick glance in the first 300 comments on this page, barely any negativity. No offence but your comments seems to be the most negative in this thread. But then I am not American. So may be I am not as sensitive.
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BostonEnginerd 5y ago
The Midwest makes some sense for building fabs. The two largest inputs are power and water - and the midwest has plenty of both. There's a small but thriving fab community in Minneapolis. Hilariously, there isn't much in the way of fabs left in Silicon Valley. Those aren't suitable for any production. The last high volume fab to close was the Linear Technologies fab out in Milpitas. There's a Raytheon fab in Lompoc CA, a few defense related fabs down in Santa Barbara and LA, but that's about it. The major semiconductor manufacturing states in the US right now are Arizona, Texas, Oregon and NY. It's nice to see Ohio joining the list. Hopefully other companies will follow Intel's lead here.
- thehappypm 5y ago
  Where does the power come from? Hydro on Great Lakes? Wind? Natural gas from fracking?
  - BostonEnginerd 5y ago
    Largely gas and coal powered, which isn't ideal. It is cheap though.
throwawayohio 5y ago
> Don’t like Ohio? Good we don’t care. I see maybe one or two negative comments of substance about Ohio on this post. Meanwhile you've written a rant about the bay area that implies everyone out there has sold their relationships and souls for some kind of elitism. The midwest is great, but it's not some utopia (the same way the bay area isn't some kind of homeless wasteland). Please stop making the rest of us look ridiculous.
genzoman 5y ago
Now that brain drain isn't required to get a great job, we will finally see a diversity of distribution in talent instead of east/west coast. This will be a good thing. It's completely unsustainable to have talent cloistered away forever and always in the same couple spots.
tikhonj 5y ago
The Tweet you linked seems to have a totally different issue with the announcement. Here's the follow-up Tweet: > It’s so depressing to read about Andy Grove’s brilliant and expert pivot of Intel from memory to processing and then see the same company miss RISC when they had checks watch 50 years to prepare. Which is a pretty relatable point?
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    >Or does that only apply to Ohio or the Midwest Um.... He was referring to Intel the company as a whole. Shut it down and give money back to investor. ( I am sorry to say he is not an expect on Semi-Conductor Industry judging from his other comments. So just ignore it ) Not targeting the Fabs in Ohio or the Midwest. Seriously, you seemed triggered. No one is hating Ohio here. At least not as far as I can tell. It will be great for Ohio, and I am sure Ohio's future will be bright with many more tech companies to follow after Intel. Grab a coffee, take a break from Social Media and Internet. Have a nice day.
voidfunc 5y ago
Hell hath no fury like a scorned nerd. I mostly agree with what you said, its a comment about other HNers.
nimbius 5y ago
"Don’t like Ohio? Good we don’t care. You don’t have to live here and we have never needed to care about your opinion" This tells me all i ever needed to know about Nohio. A worthy state for a tech hub doesn't say this. Instead try: Don’t like Ohio? What can we do to help? Are you a startup? Can you help us better understand the concern? You don’t have to live here but were sorry we couldnt have done better. We value your opinion.
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- 908B64B197 5y ago
  There's a reason the region has a net brain drain... and the Bay Area has a net gain!
- bubblethink 5y ago
  This is some A-grade trolling. >we couldnt have done better. We value your opinion. This sounds a lot like every silicon valley company.
explaingarlic 5y ago
What's wrong with Ohio? I hear only good stuff from there. I'd love to live there if I was in the states - quiet, reserved and self reliant to a point.
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pedalpete 5y ago
Yours is actually the first comment I saw. My thinking was more along the lines of "what a great way to bring more future focused jobs to the mid-west". We're seeing a very promising dispersion of future focused Jobs in the US (btw, I'm not American). While software has been predominantly west coast, and finance in the north east. Don't forget that TI is based in Texas. I believe much of Bio-tech is in San Diego and Boston, the list goes on and on. With giga & Tesla in Texas, will that bring more manufacturing and power technology to the area? This is very positive in bringing employment and opportunities to these regions. I'm also hopeful that along with the tax credits that were likely given to the companies, there is a portion that is set-aside, or another allocation to improve access to the higher education needed to fill the jobs, and that the education will be provided to the local community, not just dragged in from other areas, displacing the local community and gentrifying it.
- bshipp 5y ago
  I'm Canadian (although on a clear day I'm almost close enough to see Ohio across Lake Erie) and I'm in complete agreement with you. Everyone in the USA should be utterly ecstatic that Intel is building a large domestic chip plant and not outsourcing even more overseas. This is fantastic news.
  - defaultname 5y ago
    Intel has some 15 or so fabs already in the US (most upgraded multiple times), and is constructing two giant new ones in Arizona. The continental US has a good amount of domestic production capacity. The "problem" is that TSMC and Samsung got a node advantage on Intel, drawing a lot of the performance part manufacturing (including Intel contract work). Will this Ohio plant be competitive on the edge? I haven't seen information indicating that, and the two Arizona fabs Intel is building (operating in 2024) are targeting 7nm. Samsung (3nm) and TSMC (5nm) are both building fabs in the US as well. A pretty healthy subsidy by the government and various levels of government lubricated the choice. It's good for the sanity and economic stability of the world if everything wasn't concentrated in Taiwan.
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pstuart 5y ago
"west coast liberal" here -- I'm thrilled to hear about this project. While I'm not a fan of the political climate of Ohio I want to see the midwest (and rest or the country) thrive. It's about the United States -- we're all on the same team.
- thehappypm 5y ago
  Funny, the political climate of Ohio is probably a reason they chose it. Being business-friendly is a stated goal of the Ohio GOP.
  - pstuart 5y ago
    I want to be respectful here, but it's not about being business friendly that I take issue with. I'd be more than happy to go deeper but again, that's likely to go nowhere so there's no point. I wish them well, m'kay?
masterof0 5y ago
This is a very childish rant. You could swap Ohio, with Missouri, Indiana, Iowa... All country have states/provinces that are more developed than others. You liking your home state (or not) doesn't make it better. You can say whatever you want, good luck getting people to move to Ohio.
- ch4s3 5y ago
  Ohio has 5 metro areas and is decently well developed, with good schools. It's a bit culturally dull from a costal perspective (well mine anyway), but perfectly nice in most ways. I've enjoyed a number of visits to Cleveland and Columbus.
- thehappypm 5y ago
  People used to say that about Idaho, now it’s half Californians. Maine was a backwater now it’s got some of the biggest population growth metros in the country. Florida used to be swamps now it’s growing like crazy. Things change, man. In fact the numbers show people are leaving California.
  - masterof0 5y ago
    "Used to be"? I lived in South Florida for a long time. - 0 tech scene, besides a couple of wannabe startups , ans a few outliers. - Compensation is bad, taking into account the raising real state prices. - Most companies are on the services, tourism, insurance, medicine sector. - Racism is rampant, very ironix as SoFlo workforce is mostly south american immigrants. - High level of organized crime, shitty schools for kids (including mass shootings), very few things to do(besides the beach), and so on... Btw this is arguably the best part of Florida, don't even mention central/north Florida. People moving there are chasing tax breaks( I will still take Texas any day). SoFlo is great to party, and that type of things, but as long term move, for a techie , is going to be rough. But to each their own, I met people there that really love it.
    - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
      This is sad because Boca Raton was where the PC was invented, and was also the place Microsoft and IBM worked on OS/2 together. When IBM moved all their R&D from Boca to Austin in the mid-90s, the scene was already fairly depressed, however.
kragen 5y ago
I lost three years of the prime of my life to living in Dayton. It was one of the biggest mistakes I made in my life, one from which I will probably never be able to recover. I did miss the mountains but that wasn't the real problem. I got way more negative and insecure from living there, I had to work at appallingly terrible companies like Reed Elsevier, and I stagnated intellectually. It's the most racist place I've ever lived, and I've lived in Texas. Dayton's idea of a startup is an Amway distributor with a big downline. My ex-brother-in-law had a job making actual things (he's a machinist, specialized in wire EDM, and yeah he's honest) and ended up having to leave Ohio because the economy sucks and the government actively impedes progress. Now he works at Boeing. I'm sure Pat Gelsinger knows a thing or two I don't about Intel's chances to prosper in Ohio. But Intel's chances to prosper are not individuals' chances to prosper. The people claiming Intel's employees are "low skill" have no idea what they're talking about. OSU is apparently pretty good though, and there's apparently a decent startup scene in Columbus now. But I'm still going to share my experience (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30028203 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30028203) so other people can take it into account when they're deciding whether to move there or not. I did piss off, thank God.
- tptacek 5y ago
  I'm sorry you had a bad time at a place. But what does your comment even mean? "Texas" is your benchmark for how racist places are? Where in Texas? It's about as large as the average country. If you lived in Austin, or in the city of Houston, or in Dallas, you lived in a place with substantially more Black folks than San Francisco. Dayton, for what it's worth, is a weird benchmark for the state of Ohio. It's a declining city with a troubled economy. The Intel factory is apparently being sited on the outskirts of Columbus. Columbus is not Dayton, any more than Ann Arbor, MI is Livonia or Cadillac.
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bcrosby95 5y ago
Shrug. This happens all the time, for every state or location, including California. > Don’t like Ohio? Good we don’t care. Lol. Sure. You spent 400 words showing how much you don't care.
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refurb 5y ago
I live out in the mid-West many years ago. It actually offers a lot of what people claim is missing on HN - affordable housing, low crime, good public schools, community, better work-life balance. I’m assuming most people bitching about have never been there.
dmead 5y ago
This is awesome.
kortilla 5y ago
The worst thing about threads mentioning the Midwest are these inferiority complex rants. People shit on California, Seattle, New York, etc endlessly on any article mentioning them. If a state is in the news implying it’s getting something good, people are going to shit on it. You need to grow thicker skin. Otherwise you just end up reinforcing the idea that Ohio residents are delicate and care what the coasts think. P.s. the tweet you linked to is not about the location
dang 5y ago
Please don't take HN threads into regional flamewar. It's understandably annoying when people are dissing the place you're from, or you feel they are, but a flamewar like this should obviously not be at the top of the page (where it was stuck after collecting tons of upvotes, as flamewar comments often do), and you shouldn't be breaking the site guidelines yourself when something annoys you. Instead, you should follow the site guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) and this one in particular: "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead.". In egregious cases you can email us at hn@ycombinator.com so we can take care of them. Every time I've looked in this thread, the comments I saw referencing Ohio were overwhelmingly positive ("brilliant location", etc.). In fact, after skimming this thread, I couldn't find a single comment that matched your description. I'm not saying they don't exist, but they must be a tiny minority of what got posted here. (Edit: I saw your list at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30031374 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30031374 - the comments you were reacting to were not representative in the slightest, and you misinterpreted several of them.) There's a strong tendency to fall prey to the bias of noticing, or putting a greater weight on, the ones that felt negative to you (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20dislike%20notice&sort=byDate&type=story&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...). This is a function of your own pre-existing condition (I don't mean you personally—this is true of all of us), of being ready to flare up at the first thing that feels like a trigger. In that sense, what we're all actually encountering when we get triggered on the internet are our own pre-existing feelings. No wonder people find it hard to talk to each other about inflammatory topics. The comments you've "quoted" in your first paragraph, for example, simply don't exist. The only occurrence of "Ohio sucks" in the entire HN dataset (I just checked) is the one in your own post. That's how that cognitive bias works, and that's how we get flamewars like this. People here (you, me, and everyone else) need to manage our own inflammation a little differently so we don't end up with complete derails like this, which are not in the spirit of this site nor in the interest of anyone in the community. I'm going to mark this flamewar off topic now.
- ericmay 5y ago
  Sorry, I didn’t intend to start a flamewar. The comments I did see (the specific ones I found to be immature) were what this was meant for, but you’re right. Where you saw a general positive sentiment, I only saw the negative sentiment (like the potato “joke” or “Dayton ruined my life”) and I should have just ignored it ya know? I do attach my exact name and LinkedIn profile to my comments so I hope that it’s clear that I’m not just trolling or have specific bad intentions. Just frustrated a little bit today with those comments I did see, so I ranted. My apologies. Again you’re 100% right. Cheers!
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kingkawn 5y ago
apparently getting under people from ohio's skin is really easy

shroompasta 5y ago

I may be wrong, but I'm assuming one of the cardinal factors in the location came down to the cheapest labor they could find. Competing with labor, in terms of willingness to work for a low wage, against Asia is next to impossible for these fabs.

ericmay 5y ago
Balanced with other things I think. Ohio doesn’t have the cheapest labor in the US. Probably would be cheaper in Mississippi or maybe Georgia or Tennessee but I’m not sure.
mNovak 5y ago
Everyone is claiming this a race to the bottom on labor, but I'm not sure about that. Sure it's probably cheap compared to SV, but there are cheaper places too. The state is claiming the average salary for the fab workers is going to be $135k. Maybe I'm missing something, but that's a very comfortable life in this part of the country.
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- BurningFrog 5y ago
  [opinion] We should race to the bottom, and employ the poorest people possible!
- thehappypm 5y ago
  I wouldn’t call it a race to the bottom. It’s more about a large workforce that’s educated and has some skills and a culture for making things, and also doesn’t need $300k to buy a house.
cjenkins 5y ago
How much does the cost of labor really factor into a 20B factory? Assume 200k fully loaded at 3000 people is 600M a year on labor. That's not nothing but it seems pretty insignificant if you can save enough on the actual buildout of the fab(s).

alfalfasprout 5y ago

Honestly this is one of the things I couldn't stand about the bay area. Tons of people that think they're hot stuff and the rest of the country is a dump pile. It reflects in HN comments all the time. The reality is Ohio State is actually a good university and there's really solid talent out there too. You also have Chicago not all that far away that's a big talent hub.

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coldtea 5y ago
>and the rest of the country is a dump pile Which is especially ironic, considered how much of a shithole San Francisco has become
- FullyFunctional 5y ago
  This is getting old. I've lived in the Bay Area for 20+ years and guess what, the Bay Area != San Francisco (I personally go to SF less than once every two years).
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      Indeed how? If they really mean SF, then write that. Bay Area is much greater and much more than SF. San Jose alone is larger in area and people than SF and Bay Area is much much more than San Jose. I'm trying to spread awareness to people not from here that the two things aren't the same at all. It's bad enough that media convulsively regurgitate the same tired fallacy repeatedly.
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forinti 5y ago

It's way better than putting another fab on the ring of fire.

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defaultname 5y ago

Scanned this submission several times today, never seeing a single negative comment about Ohio. I did chuckle at one pro-Ohio that basically said it's a great place because it has [list of things that every metropolitan everywhere has], but whatever. After seeing your comment I dug through the comments and found a single negative comment that is clearly written by someone from and in Ohio.

ericmay 5y ago
Here's a few just with a quick glance: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30029310 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30027858 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30026358 Maybe you don't interpret these as negative. That's ok. Idk. Seem negative to me without really adding any value and that's not counting just general, unwarranted cynicism: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30029732 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30026680 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30029025 (as if that's some metric that we need to really care about)
- ksec 5y ago
  Out of 430 comments, there are bound to be some negative comments. Some of them may be valid ( Not a place they want to live is not against Ohio, but an opinion ) , some of them are not. But that is still less than 10 comments. >unwarranted cynicism The vast majority are questioning Ohio not because of negativity or cynicism but curiosity. Why Ohio, why not other state? Are there important strategic reasons? Some of them are calling out Tax Break, that is a fair point, but aren't there Tax Break elsewhere? I did a quick glance in the first 300 comments on this page, barely any negativity. No offence but your comments seems to be the most negative in this thread. But then I am not American. So may be I am not as sensitive.
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BostonEnginerd 5y ago

The Midwest makes some sense for building fabs. The two largest inputs are power and water - and the midwest has plenty of both. There's a small but thriving fab community in Minneapolis. Hilariously, there isn't much in the way of fabs left in Silicon Valley. Those aren't suitable for any production. The last high volume fab to close was the Linear Technologies fab out in Milpitas. There's a Raytheon fab in Lompoc CA, a few defense related fabs down in Santa Barbara and LA, but that's about it. The major semiconductor manufacturing states in the US right now are Arizona, Texas, Oregon and NY. It's nice to see Ohio joining the list. Hopefully other companies will follow Intel's lead here.

thehappypm 5y ago
Where does the power come from? Hydro on Great Lakes? Wind? Natural gas from fracking?
- BostonEnginerd 5y ago
  Largely gas and coal powered, which isn't ideal. It is cheap though.

throwawayohio 5y ago

> Don’t like Ohio? Good we don’t care. I see maybe one or two negative comments of substance about Ohio on this post. Meanwhile you've written a rant about the bay area that implies everyone out there has sold their relationships and souls for some kind of elitism. The midwest is great, but it's not some utopia (the same way the bay area isn't some kind of homeless wasteland). Please stop making the rest of us look ridiculous.

genzoman 5y ago

Now that brain drain isn't required to get a great job, we will finally see a diversity of distribution in talent instead of east/west coast. This will be a good thing. It's completely unsustainable to have talent cloistered away forever and always in the same couple spots.

tikhonj 5y ago

The Tweet you linked seems to have a totally different issue with the announcement. Here's the follow-up Tweet: > It’s so depressing to read about Andy Grove’s brilliant and expert pivot of Intel from memory to processing and then see the same company miss RISC when they had checks watch 50 years to prepare. Which is a pretty relatable point?

ericmay 5y ago
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  >Or does that only apply to Ohio or the Midwest Um.... He was referring to Intel the company as a whole. Shut it down and give money back to investor. ( I am sorry to say he is not an expect on Semi-Conductor Industry judging from his other comments. So just ignore it ) Not targeting the Fabs in Ohio or the Midwest. Seriously, you seemed triggered. No one is hating Ohio here. At least not as far as I can tell. It will be great for Ohio, and I am sure Ohio's future will be bright with many more tech companies to follow after Intel. Grab a coffee, take a break from Social Media and Internet. Have a nice day.

voidfunc 5y ago

Hell hath no fury like a scorned nerd. I mostly agree with what you said, its a comment about other HNers.

nimbius 5y ago

"Don’t like Ohio? Good we don’t care. You don’t have to live here and we have never needed to care about your opinion" This tells me all i ever needed to know about Nohio. A worthy state for a tech hub doesn't say this. Instead try: Don’t like Ohio? What can we do to help? Are you a startup? Can you help us better understand the concern? You don’t have to live here but were sorry we couldnt have done better. We value your opinion.

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908B64B197 5y ago
There's a reason the region has a net brain drain... and the Bay Area has a net gain!
bubblethink 5y ago
This is some A-grade trolling. >we couldnt have done better. We value your opinion. This sounds a lot like every silicon valley company.

explaingarlic 5y ago

What's wrong with Ohio? I hear only good stuff from there. I'd love to live there if I was in the states - quiet, reserved and self reliant to a point.

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pedalpete 5y ago

Yours is actually the first comment I saw. My thinking was more along the lines of "what a great way to bring more future focused jobs to the mid-west". We're seeing a very promising dispersion of future focused Jobs in the US (btw, I'm not American). While software has been predominantly west coast, and finance in the north east. Don't forget that TI is based in Texas. I believe much of Bio-tech is in San Diego and Boston, the list goes on and on. With giga & Tesla in Texas, will that bring more manufacturing and power technology to the area? This is very positive in bringing employment and opportunities to these regions. I'm also hopeful that along with the tax credits that were likely given to the companies, there is a portion that is set-aside, or another allocation to improve access to the higher education needed to fill the jobs, and that the education will be provided to the local community, not just dragged in from other areas, displacing the local community and gentrifying it.

bshipp 5y ago
I'm Canadian (although on a clear day I'm almost close enough to see Ohio across Lake Erie) and I'm in complete agreement with you. Everyone in the USA should be utterly ecstatic that Intel is building a large domestic chip plant and not outsourcing even more overseas. This is fantastic news.
- defaultname 5y ago
  Intel has some 15 or so fabs already in the US (most upgraded multiple times), and is constructing two giant new ones in Arizona. The continental US has a good amount of domestic production capacity. The "problem" is that TSMC and Samsung got a node advantage on Intel, drawing a lot of the performance part manufacturing (including Intel contract work). Will this Ohio plant be competitive on the edge? I haven't seen information indicating that, and the two Arizona fabs Intel is building (operating in 2024) are targeting 7nm. Samsung (3nm) and TSMC (5nm) are both building fabs in the US as well. A pretty healthy subsidy by the government and various levels of government lubricated the choice. It's good for the sanity and economic stability of the world if everything wasn't concentrated in Taiwan.
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pstuart 5y ago

"west coast liberal" here -- I'm thrilled to hear about this project. While I'm not a fan of the political climate of Ohio I want to see the midwest (and rest or the country) thrive. It's about the United States -- we're all on the same team.

thehappypm 5y ago
Funny, the political climate of Ohio is probably a reason they chose it. Being business-friendly is a stated goal of the Ohio GOP.
- pstuart 5y ago
  I want to be respectful here, but it's not about being business friendly that I take issue with. I'd be more than happy to go deeper but again, that's likely to go nowhere so there's no point. I wish them well, m'kay?

masterof0 5y ago

This is a very childish rant. You could swap Ohio, with Missouri, Indiana, Iowa... All country have states/provinces that are more developed than others. You liking your home state (or not) doesn't make it better. You can say whatever you want, good luck getting people to move to Ohio.

ch4s3 5y ago
Ohio has 5 metro areas and is decently well developed, with good schools. It's a bit culturally dull from a costal perspective (well mine anyway), but perfectly nice in most ways. I've enjoyed a number of visits to Cleveland and Columbus.
thehappypm 5y ago
People used to say that about Idaho, now it’s half Californians. Maine was a backwater now it’s got some of the biggest population growth metros in the country. Florida used to be swamps now it’s growing like crazy. Things change, man. In fact the numbers show people are leaving California.
- masterof0 5y ago
  "Used to be"? I lived in South Florida for a long time. - 0 tech scene, besides a couple of wannabe startups , ans a few outliers. - Compensation is bad, taking into account the raising real state prices. - Most companies are on the services, tourism, insurance, medicine sector. - Racism is rampant, very ironix as SoFlo workforce is mostly south american immigrants. - High level of organized crime, shitty schools for kids (including mass shootings), very few things to do(besides the beach), and so on... Btw this is arguably the best part of Florida, don't even mention central/north Florida. People moving there are chasing tax breaks( I will still take Texas any day). SoFlo is great to party, and that type of things, but as long term move, for a techie , is going to be rough. But to each their own, I met people there that really love it.
  - seanmcdirmid 5y ago
    This is sad because Boca Raton was where the PC was invented, and was also the place Microsoft and IBM worked on OS/2 together. When IBM moved all their R&D from Boca to Austin in the mid-90s, the scene was already fairly depressed, however.

kragen 5y ago

I lost three years of the prime of my life to living in Dayton. It was one of the biggest mistakes I made in my life, one from which I will probably never be able to recover. I did miss the mountains but that wasn't the real problem. I got way more negative and insecure from living there, I had to work at appallingly terrible companies like Reed Elsevier, and I stagnated intellectually. It's the most racist place I've ever lived, and I've lived in Texas. Dayton's idea of a startup is an Amway distributor with a big downline. My ex-brother-in-law had a job making actual things (he's a machinist, specialized in wire EDM, and yeah he's honest) and ended up having to leave Ohio because the economy sucks and the government actively impedes progress. Now he works at Boeing. I'm sure Pat Gelsinger knows a thing or two I don't about Intel's chances to prosper in Ohio. But Intel's chances to prosper are not individuals' chances to prosper. The people claiming Intel's employees are "low skill" have no idea what they're talking about. OSU is apparently pretty good though, and there's apparently a decent startup scene in Columbus now. But I'm still going to share my experience (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30028203 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30028203) so other people can take it into account when they're deciding whether to move there or not. I did piss off, thank God.

tptacek 5y ago
I'm sorry you had a bad time at a place. But what does your comment even mean? "Texas" is your benchmark for how racist places are? Where in Texas? It's about as large as the average country. If you lived in Austin, or in the city of Houston, or in Dallas, you lived in a place with substantially more Black folks than San Francisco. Dayton, for what it's worth, is a weird benchmark for the state of Ohio. It's a declining city with a troubled economy. The Intel factory is apparently being sited on the outskirts of Columbus. Columbus is not Dayton, any more than Ann Arbor, MI is Livonia or Cadillac.
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bcrosby95 5y ago

Shrug. This happens all the time, for every state or location, including California. > Don’t like Ohio? Good we don’t care. Lol. Sure. You spent 400 words showing how much you don't care.

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refurb 5y ago

I live out in the mid-West many years ago. It actually offers a lot of what people claim is missing on HN - affordable housing, low crime, good public schools, community, better work-life balance. I’m assuming most people bitching about have never been there.

dmead 5y ago

This is awesome.

kortilla 5y ago

The worst thing about threads mentioning the Midwest are these inferiority complex rants. People shit on California, Seattle, New York, etc endlessly on any article mentioning them. If a state is in the news implying it’s getting something good, people are going to shit on it. You need to grow thicker skin. Otherwise you just end up reinforcing the idea that Ohio residents are delicate and care what the coasts think. P.s. the tweet you linked to is not about the location

dang 5y ago

Please don't take HN threads into regional flamewar. It's understandably annoying when people are dissing the place you're from, or you feel they are, but a flamewar like this should obviously not be at the top of the page (where it was stuck after collecting tons of upvotes, as flamewar comments often do), and you shouldn't be breaking the site guidelines yourself when something annoys you. Instead, you should follow the site guidelines (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html) and this one in particular: "Don't feed egregious comments by replying; flag them instead.". In egregious cases you can email us at hn@ycombinator.com so we can take care of them. Every time I've looked in this thread, the comments I saw referencing Ohio were overwhelmingly positive ("brilliant location", etc.). In fact, after skimming this thread, I couldn't find a single comment that matched your description. I'm not saying they don't exist, but they must be a tiny minority of what got posted here. (Edit: I saw your list at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30031374 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30031374 - the comments you were reacting to were not representative in the slightest, and you misinterpreted several of them.) There's a strong tendency to fall prey to the bias of noticing, or putting a greater weight on, the ones that felt negative to you (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20dislike%20notice&sort=byDate&type=story&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...). This is a function of your own pre-existing condition (I don't mean you personally—this is true of all of us), of being ready to flare up at the first thing that feels like a trigger. In that sense, what we're all actually encountering when we get triggered on the internet are our own pre-existing feelings. No wonder people find it hard to talk to each other about inflammatory topics. The comments you've "quoted" in your first paragraph, for example, simply don't exist. The only occurrence of "Ohio sucks" in the entire HN dataset (I just checked) is the one in your own post. That's how that cognitive bias works, and that's how we get flamewars like this. People here (you, me, and everyone else) need to manage our own inflammation a little differently so we don't end up with complete derails like this, which are not in the spirit of this site nor in the interest of anyone in the community. I'm going to mark this flamewar off topic now.

ericmay 5y ago
Sorry, I didn’t intend to start a flamewar. The comments I did see (the specific ones I found to be immature) were what this was meant for, but you’re right. Where you saw a general positive sentiment, I only saw the negative sentiment (like the potato “joke” or “Dayton ruined my life”) and I should have just ignored it ya know? I do attach my exact name and LinkedIn profile to my comments so I hope that it’s clear that I’m not just trolling or have specific bad intentions. Just frustrated a little bit today with those comments I did see, so I ranted. My apologies. Again you’re 100% right. Cheers!

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kingkawn 5y ago

apparently getting under people from ohio's skin is really easy