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> De-debunk Rebunk? Anyway, Musk-hate seems to be becoming its own religion.

schiffern 5y ago
Linguistically it's an awkward case. Currently, "debunked" (see also: "busted") is just the latest version of the phrase "scientists say X." The literal semantics and how it's actually used in practice are polar opposites. But "re-bunked" still sound like false information. Right now the words are mainly used as a cheap way to sound like Carl Sagan or Mythbusters without any of the deep knowledge and research. "De-debunked" IMO gets the message across, but also highlights the absurdity.
qsdf38100 5y ago
How can people not hate him though? He is so full of shit and all his projects are a joke. He stole Tesla from its true founders and made it about self driving hype. He keeps making non sense claims about it and how it’s 1 year ahead. He generally can’t help coming up with more and more stupid ideas. I could just ignore him, but now everyone believes his bullshit even supposedly smart people on HN, and we keep hearing about futuristic revolution non sense such as hyper loop, underground taxi services, mars colonisation, rocket mass transportation, and now that star link is going to be a 12 in 1 techno marvel, best telescope, best gps, best internet provider, best weather instrument, a supercomputer, etc. Have no one heard about the fact that things that are to good to be true probably are? Elon seem to have achieved global alienation with his pseudo scientific scams and humanity is walking on its head supporting mars colonies and throwing 40000 satellites every 5 years, because we can. Meanwhile the earth is warming up and inequalities in the world is at its worst. But spoiled fans of grandiose science fiction (seemingly everyone) want moar of this giga star hyper AI sexy non sens. He is the Donald trump of the silicone valley, he represents everything that is wrong with the modern world. The car he sent to space was the car that was promised to Tesla true founder after he kicked him out. It was just a multi million dollar middle finger to the guy he stole from. Give me a break. Hope you enjoyed that nuanced take on the Elon situation.
- mlindner 5y ago
  > How can people not hate him though? He is so full of shit and all his projects are a joke. I stopped here in reading your post but you're in a reality distortion field if you actually think this. Tesla and SpaceX have turned two industries on their head. And Tesla was actually in practice formed by him as the two founders were running it into the ground (Musk was there from day one as well, as chairman of the board). If you think Tesla would have succeeded without Musk, why did none of the other electrical vehicle startups then or since succeed?
  - qsdf38100 5y ago
    That’s my point, other didn’t succeed because Elon alienated people with his promises of bringing the Hollywood blockbuster style future the masses dream of. It’s about time, where are the flying cars and hover boards. Why would one buy an boring car when one could have the car from the future from the man from the future. But it’s just a scam, teslas won’t drive themselves as it was promised, à la "driver is there only for legal reasons". It’s too late, the very people that got scammed are trusting his bullshit even more. No amount of facts will change their minds. Same as trump followers. He will achieve full self driving in 1 year with no lidar. He can do more with less. He can do everything with nothing. Now how will other business compete? Will they need to go full bullshit to survive? Because in the end if lots of people buy, it’s a success, right? It’s just about money, who cares about truth and facts? I think he is a terrible role model, and his "success" only proves that there’s a growing amount of people participating in a collective delusion. I’m sincerely worried.
    - ricardobeat 5y ago
      If making unfulfillable promises was a good strategy to put competitors out of business, you'd see this happen everywhere. It doesn't. In fact that's usually a surefire way to drive a business into the ground. You can make your own conclusions starting from there. Also, Tesla is not alone: Volvo, Waymo, Daimler, GM, Ford, Mercedes, BMW, and chinese makers have all promised Level 4 self-driving around 2021-2022.

Linguistically it's an awkward case. Currently, "debunked" (see also: "busted") is just the latest version of the phrase "scientists say X." The literal semantics and how it's actually used in practice are polar opposites. But "re-bunked" still sound like false information. Right now the words are mainly used as a cheap way to sound like Carl Sagan or Mythbusters without any of the deep knowledge and research. "De-debunked" IMO gets the message across, but also highlights the absurdity.

qsdf38100 5y ago

How can people not hate him though? He is so full of shit and all his projects are a joke. He stole Tesla from its true founders and made it about self driving hype. He keeps making non sense claims about it and how it’s 1 year ahead. He generally can’t help coming up with more and more stupid ideas. I could just ignore him, but now everyone believes his bullshit even supposedly smart people on HN, and we keep hearing about futuristic revolution non sense such as hyper loop, underground taxi services, mars colonisation, rocket mass transportation, and now that star link is going to be a 12 in 1 techno marvel, best telescope, best gps, best internet provider, best weather instrument, a supercomputer, etc. Have no one heard about the fact that things that are to good to be true probably are? Elon seem to have achieved global alienation with his pseudo scientific scams and humanity is walking on its head supporting mars colonies and throwing 40000 satellites every 5 years, because we can. Meanwhile the earth is warming up and inequalities in the world is at its worst. But spoiled fans of grandiose science fiction (seemingly everyone) want moar of this giga star hyper AI sexy non sens. He is the Donald trump of the silicone valley, he represents everything that is wrong with the modern world. The car he sent to space was the car that was promised to Tesla true founder after he kicked him out. It was just a multi million dollar middle finger to the guy he stole from. Give me a break. Hope you enjoyed that nuanced take on the Elon situation.

mlindner 5y ago
> How can people not hate him though? He is so full of shit and all his projects are a joke. I stopped here in reading your post but you're in a reality distortion field if you actually think this. Tesla and SpaceX have turned two industries on their head. And Tesla was actually in practice formed by him as the two founders were running it into the ground (Musk was there from day one as well, as chairman of the board). If you think Tesla would have succeeded without Musk, why did none of the other electrical vehicle startups then or since succeed?
- qsdf38100 5y ago
  That’s my point, other didn’t succeed because Elon alienated people with his promises of bringing the Hollywood blockbuster style future the masses dream of. It’s about time, where are the flying cars and hover boards. Why would one buy an boring car when one could have the car from the future from the man from the future. But it’s just a scam, teslas won’t drive themselves as it was promised, à la "driver is there only for legal reasons". It’s too late, the very people that got scammed are trusting his bullshit even more. No amount of facts will change their minds. Same as trump followers. He will achieve full self driving in 1 year with no lidar. He can do more with less. He can do everything with nothing. Now how will other business compete? Will they need to go full bullshit to survive? Because in the end if lots of people buy, it’s a success, right? It’s just about money, who cares about truth and facts? I think he is a terrible role model, and his "success" only proves that there’s a growing amount of people participating in a collective delusion. I’m sincerely worried.
  - ricardobeat 5y ago
    If making unfulfillable promises was a good strategy to put competitors out of business, you'd see this happen everywhere. It doesn't. In fact that's usually a surefire way to drive a business into the ground. You can make your own conclusions starting from there. Also, Tesla is not alone: Volvo, Waymo, Daimler, GM, Ford, Mercedes, BMW, and chinese makers have all promised Level 4 self-driving around 2021-2022.