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I guess the core problem is the false advertising. Zoom "supports" Wayland-only distros... with the fine print that they only support outdated builds from befor

I guess the core problem is the false advertising. Zoom "supports" Wayland-only distros... with the fine print that they only support outdated builds from before the switch to Wayland. Aside from that, my only complaint is that Zoom is unavoidable and thus the lowest common denominator. If Zoom doesn't work with your window system, you're forced to give up and change... even if it's the only piece of software in your entire system that isn't up to the job. Being forced to jump through hoops like that when you're using a common and modern system configuration is a sign of a poorly supported product and something users should rightfully complain about.

yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
> I guess the core problem is the false advertising. Zoom "supports" Wayland-only distros... with the fine print that they only support outdated builds from before the switch to Wayland. They support the distro just fine. They might not support one of its graphical layers, but you can run Zoom on Xorg on the same distro just fine.
- nemetroid 5y ago
  You can run it, but not with reasonable screen sharing support, which arguably is a part of "supporting the distro".
  - yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
    My point was that distos don't map 1-1 to Xorg or Wayland; you can run the very latest Fedora with Xorg, or Ubuntu 18.04 with Wayland. They support the distro just fine, the problem is a specific graphical server.
    - nemetroid 5y ago
      The grandparent referenced Wayland-only distros, so I assumed your comment was about Xwayland. But your point is that there aren't any Wayland-only distros?
      - yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
        Erm. I'm not aware of any Wayland-only distros, except tiny hobby projects (which did it because when they added GUI they just didn't add Xorg). Are there any (widely-used) distros that don't package Xorg?
- ihattendorf 5y ago
  I would say advertising support for Fedora (or any other Wayland by default distro) without explicitly saying you don't support Wayland/only support X11 is misleading.
YEwSdObPQT 5y ago
I used Linux 95% of the time at work and generally it is a mess when it comes to proprietary stuff. Even if it is decently supported there are about 4 different ways to install it and because I use Debian and not Ubuntu I have to hope the package just works with my distro or use snaps. I've distro hopped around and packaging is a perennial issue no matter which distro you use. Some proprietary apps only support Ubuntu, or Redhat based distros but not CentOS/RHEL and only Fedora even though they are kinda the same thing. I think at this point I might just download the tarballs and install it manually because I think that might actually be easier.

yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago

> I guess the core problem is the false advertising. Zoom "supports" Wayland-only distros... with the fine print that they only support outdated builds from before the switch to Wayland. They support the distro just fine. They might not support one of its graphical layers, but you can run Zoom on Xorg on the same distro just fine.

nemetroid 5y ago
You can run it, but not with reasonable screen sharing support, which arguably is a part of "supporting the distro".
- yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
  My point was that distos don't map 1-1 to Xorg or Wayland; you can run the very latest Fedora with Xorg, or Ubuntu 18.04 with Wayland. They support the distro just fine, the problem is a specific graphical server.
  - nemetroid 5y ago
    The grandparent referenced Wayland-only distros, so I assumed your comment was about Xwayland. But your point is that there aren't any Wayland-only distros?
    - yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
      Erm. I'm not aware of any Wayland-only distros, except tiny hobby projects (which did it because when they added GUI they just didn't add Xorg). Are there any (widely-used) distros that don't package Xorg?
ihattendorf 5y ago
I would say advertising support for Fedora (or any other Wayland by default distro) without explicitly saying you don't support Wayland/only support X11 is misleading.

YEwSdObPQT 5y ago

I used Linux 95% of the time at work and generally it is a mess when it comes to proprietary stuff. Even if it is decently supported there are about 4 different ways to install it and because I use Debian and not Ubuntu I have to hope the package just works with my distro or use snaps. I've distro hopped around and packaging is a perennial issue no matter which distro you use. Some proprietary apps only support Ubuntu, or Redhat based distros but not CentOS/RHEL and only Fedora even though they are kinda the same thing. I think at this point I might just download the tarballs and install it manually because I think that might actually be easier.