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I would still gladly pay for updates—nobody expected to get updates for free, we always did it that way before. My impression is that the AppStore model, with t

I would still gladly pay for updates—nobody expected to get updates for free, we always did it that way before. My impression is that the AppStore model, with the updates provided for free (for bug fixes, etc) is what began that shift to subscriptions. Before the App Store, it wasn’t easy to update software, so it was straightforward to lock updates behind paid upgrades.

chii 5y ago
> nobody expected to get updates for free if there's a security vulnerability, i'm sure you'd expect the update to be free.
- yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
  Let's say feature updates make sense to pay for, bug fixes don't.
- bosie 5y ago
  Why though?
  - Kbelicius 5y ago
    Because If I get a faulty vacuum cleaner I expect to be able to exchange it for a working one for free.
    - chii 5y ago
      and yet if a lock could be picked, you don't get to exchange it for another one that couldn't be! Analogies breakdown when compared too carefully. I think software sellers is doing a courtesy when they provide security updates for free. They are not legally obligated to do it. The users are entitled to switch to a competitor however - by not having their data held hostage (which, i think modern laws don't properly address).
      - Kbelicius 5y ago
        > and yet if a lock could be picked, you don't get to exchange it for another one that couldn't be! Analogies breakdown when compared too carefully. There are no locks that can't be picked. If it unlocks itself all the time you bet your ass that I'll get to exchange it for a new one. Maybe you should be more careful when making analogies.
        chii 5y ago
        I picked the lock analogy deliberately, because like locks, there are no software that has no security vulnerabilities.
      - webmaven 5y ago
        > and yet if a lock could be picked, you don't get to exchange it for another one that couldn't be! Analogies breakdown when compared too carefully. https://www.cycleryusa.com/articles/kryptonite-locks-recall-information-pg151.htm https://www.cycleryusa.com/articles/kryptonite-locks-recall-...
- beowulfey 5y ago
  I mean, I remember the days when I didn’t expect free updates. That’s my whole point. I don’t know if I can explain why. Maybe security wasn’t as big of a deal.
yoz-y 5y ago
> nobody expected to get updates for free Every single comment thread on Parallels releasing update is crying "money grab" over and over.

chii 5y ago

> nobody expected to get updates for free if there's a security vulnerability, i'm sure you'd expect the update to be free.

yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
Let's say feature updates make sense to pay for, bug fixes don't.
bosie 5y ago
Why though?
- Kbelicius 5y ago
  Because If I get a faulty vacuum cleaner I expect to be able to exchange it for a working one for free.
  - chii 5y ago
    and yet if a lock could be picked, you don't get to exchange it for another one that couldn't be! Analogies breakdown when compared too carefully. I think software sellers is doing a courtesy when they provide security updates for free. They are not legally obligated to do it. The users are entitled to switch to a competitor however - by not having their data held hostage (which, i think modern laws don't properly address).
    - Kbelicius 5y ago
      > and yet if a lock could be picked, you don't get to exchange it for another one that couldn't be! Analogies breakdown when compared too carefully. There are no locks that can't be picked. If it unlocks itself all the time you bet your ass that I'll get to exchange it for a new one. Maybe you should be more careful when making analogies.
      - chii 5y ago
        I picked the lock analogy deliberately, because like locks, there are no software that has no security vulnerabilities.
    - webmaven 5y ago
      > and yet if a lock could be picked, you don't get to exchange it for another one that couldn't be! Analogies breakdown when compared too carefully. https://www.cycleryusa.com/articles/kryptonite-locks-recall-information-pg151.htm https://www.cycleryusa.com/articles/kryptonite-locks-recall-...
beowulfey 5y ago
I mean, I remember the days when I didn’t expect free updates. That’s my whole point. I don’t know if I can explain why. Maybe security wasn’t as big of a deal.

yoz-y 5y ago

> nobody expected to get updates for free Every single comment thread on Parallels releasing update is crying "money grab" over and over.