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It's difficult to compare kubernetes and WASM. Also WASM doesn't look very mature to me, and chrome and apple can decide to stop supporting it if they want. I

by jokoon 5y ago

It's difficult to compare kubernetes and WASM. Also WASM doesn't look very mature to me, and chrome and apple can decide to stop supporting it if they want. I'm also curious how well WASM works on mobile. I wish WASM could replace mobile apps somehow.

anonporridge 5y ago
Apple and Google have too much power via the app stores to ever allow pure web apps to become significantly viable competitors to native apps.
- mhoad 5y ago
  I just want to make clear here that in reality that it is Apple and Apple alone which is holding back web apps from competing with their ecosystem.
  - randomsilence 5y ago
    Maybe the best pivot ever (since the iPhone was made for web apps [1]). Can Apple ever switch back? Since their valuation depends on their income from the app store, they are forced to continue their policy. However, is this a valid long-term strategy? Right now, most apps are by requirement single-purpose tools. Is Apple prepared for the time when there are user-generated apps? Much of what web3.0 can be is inhibited if Apple puts a tax on every transaction and prevents apps that change their source code. Since the US mobile phone market is dominated by Apple, does this give China a huge advantage for developing the next generation of software? [1] https://9to5mac.com/2011/10/21/jobs-original-vision-for-the-iphone-no-third-party-native-apps/ https://9to5mac.com/2011/10/21/jobs-original-vision-for-the-...
- jokoon 5y ago
  And how would they do that?
alex_duf 5y ago
I think this article is very much about wasm running on the server rather than in a web browser. In fairness there's been some very exciting development on that front, mainly pushed by Fastly with their own compute @ edge proposal and opensourcing a set of tools like cranelift. I think their use case of cloud fonction @ edge is absolutely perfect for webassembly on the server, and I'm actually impressed. I agree the technology needs to mature a bit more. We need broader langage support, and then we'll have a very powerful and exciting tool to add to our tool-belt.
marcos100 5y ago
Wasm is not only for browsers. There is wasmer, for example. The author is saying that you will be able to replace docker (I think comparing to kubernetes is wrong) with wasm, because it can run code sandboxed. Another example is a plugin ecosystem using wasm. Your go program would be able to load plugins written in c, lua or any other language that compiles to wasm.

by jokoon 5y ago

anonporridge 5y ago

Apple and Google have too much power via the app stores to ever allow pure web apps to become significantly viable competitors to native apps.

mhoad 5y ago
I just want to make clear here that in reality that it is Apple and Apple alone which is holding back web apps from competing with their ecosystem.
- randomsilence 5y ago
  Maybe the best pivot ever (since the iPhone was made for web apps [1]). Can Apple ever switch back? Since their valuation depends on their income from the app store, they are forced to continue their policy. However, is this a valid long-term strategy? Right now, most apps are by requirement single-purpose tools. Is Apple prepared for the time when there are user-generated apps? Much of what web3.0 can be is inhibited if Apple puts a tax on every transaction and prevents apps that change their source code. Since the US mobile phone market is dominated by Apple, does this give China a huge advantage for developing the next generation of software? [1] https://9to5mac.com/2011/10/21/jobs-original-vision-for-the-iphone-no-third-party-native-apps/ https://9to5mac.com/2011/10/21/jobs-original-vision-for-the-...
jokoon 5y ago
And how would they do that?

alex_duf 5y ago

I think this article is very much about wasm running on the server rather than in a web browser. In fairness there's been some very exciting development on that front, mainly pushed by Fastly with their own compute @ edge proposal and opensourcing a set of tools like cranelift. I think their use case of cloud fonction @ edge is absolutely perfect for webassembly on the server, and I'm actually impressed. I agree the technology needs to mature a bit more. We need broader langage support, and then we'll have a very powerful and exciting tool to add to our tool-belt.

marcos100 5y ago

Wasm is not only for browsers. There is wasmer, for example. The author is saying that you will be able to replace docker (I think comparing to kubernetes is wrong) with wasm, because it can run code sandboxed. Another example is a plugin ecosystem using wasm. Your go program would be able to load plugins written in c, lua or any other language that compiles to wasm.