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"I just want my children to have a relatively care-free existence in their formative years, much like I had. Children and young people are not without their own

"I just want my children to have a relatively care-free existence in their formative years, much like I had. Children and young people are not without their own low-stake drama but they should not have this weight of forced upon them at that age." Kids read newspapers. They know what's happening. Even high school kids are depressed by things like climate change, income inequality and the broken Canadian real estate market. I don't think encouraging the spread of disease is likely to cheer them up much.

bko 5y ago
I didn't read the newspaper or know anything about climate change, income inequality or Canadian real estate. And I pray to god my children don't either. This wasn't a thing growing up in Northeast US in the late 90s
- guyzero 5y ago
  My kids are out of high school so I don't know as many Canadian teenagers as I once did. They know stuff. Nice to hear you had a pleasant childhood.
- trs8080 5y ago
  "i was sheltered from the realities of the world i occupied and my children should be too"? whether or not your children are aware of climate change (or any of the things you listed) isn't going to change its impact when they're adults -- if anything, you're ensuring they won't be prepared.
solveit 5y ago
This is a bug and we should fix how the news works.
- guyzero 5y ago
  Just spread some disease and you'll feel better.
- sharemywin 5y ago
  News is driven by human nature. we're drawn to drama and conflict. you clicked on this just like I did. why?
noah_buddy 5y ago
>I don't think encouraging the spread of disease is likely to cheer them up much. Describing socialization and face to face interaction in these terms is incredibly callous.
- guyzero 5y ago
  Wearing a mask and not meeting in large groups is not stopping socialization. Acknowledging that certain behaviours spread an already virulent disease isn't callous, it's realistic and it's why the pandemic is depressing. Ignoring covid doesn't make most people feel any better, they know it exists.
  - robhunter 5y ago
    Wearing a mask in school - or not wearing a mask in school - does nothing to impact the spread of the virus.
    - thyrsus 5y ago
      Are there data to support this? The original article cited Scandinavian experience, but I'm having trouble finding a reliable source.
      - robhunter 5y ago
        The most convincing data I've seen is from Spain (https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/science/articles/cult-masked-schoolchildren https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/science/articles/cult-mas...) They masked 6+ year olds and did not mask anyone under 6 in school. You'd expect higher rates of Covid in the 5 year olds than the 6 year olds. In fact, it was the exact opposite - rate of spread was perfectly correlated with age. Masks showed no impact. There's also interesting data from North Dakota (https://twitter.com/TracyBethHoeg/status/1470072066380419072 https://twitter.com/TracyBethHoeg/status/1470072066380419072). This is a great dataset because it controls for a lot of variables - it's two school districts in the same county; one optional and one mandatory. The mandatory masking county consistently has had higher rates of Covid.
wernercd 5y ago
"Encouraging the spread of disease" They are stastically more likely to die from tripping on a sidewalk than dying of Covid. Telling them they are "spreading disease" when it's literally a cold/flu is irresponsible... The problem is the fear of COVID has reached religious status and only heathens talk against the Church. The COVID Crusaders will burn witches at the stake no matter if they are spreading fear not based in facts or reality.
- dpark 5y ago
  > it's literally a cold/flu > they are spreading fear not based in facts or reality. You can’t appeal to facts and reality and then also falsely claim COVID is literally a cold/flu. A cold and a flu aren’t even the same thing as each other. And COVID is certainly neither of those with over 5 million deaths worldwide. Even if you think the numbers are inflated, COVID has still killed something like an order of magnitude more people than the flu would in the same timespan. You don’t convince others by listening by spreading your own lies. Rational thought is not built on misinformation.
  - wernercd 5y ago
    "then also falsely claim COVID is literally a cold/flu" It's in the same area... the only difference is we've had those for generations and covid is new. COVID is in effect a bad flu... "5 million deaths" 5 million deaths FROM covid or WITH COVID? Hint: You don't know because we don't know... those numbers are mixed, conflated and confused. "Order of magnitude" In places like the US where hospitals get 30% more money for stamping "something" as "covid"? Hard to take numbers seriously... especially when you admit that "FROM" COVID and "WITH" COVID are different things and haven't been tracked properly. If I have a heart attack... but I had COVID... Am I a COVID death or not? Currently, it's yes... you're a COVID death no matter what kills you. No matter that you're really not a COVID death. "rational thought is not built on misinformation" but the fear around COVID is. That's why kids who are statistically more likely to die tripping on a sidewalk are getting pushed to get vaccines that don't block transmition, don't stop covid and won't end the pandemic. People aren't getting vaccinated for "rational though" because if they were then the people getting the vaccines would be the people who need the extra protection - as they also get that extra protection. Not kids or people in their 20's and younger who are proven a LONG time ago to not need to live in fear. It's not rational thought that's driving COVID at this point. It's fear, misinformation, lies and the Holy Religion of The Vaccine.

bko 5y ago

I didn't read the newspaper or know anything about climate change, income inequality or Canadian real estate. And I pray to god my children don't either. This wasn't a thing growing up in Northeast US in the late 90s

guyzero 5y ago
My kids are out of high school so I don't know as many Canadian teenagers as I once did. They know stuff. Nice to hear you had a pleasant childhood.
trs8080 5y ago
"i was sheltered from the realities of the world i occupied and my children should be too"? whether or not your children are aware of climate change (or any of the things you listed) isn't going to change its impact when they're adults -- if anything, you're ensuring they won't be prepared.

solveit 5y ago

This is a bug and we should fix how the news works.

guyzero 5y ago
Just spread some disease and you'll feel better.
sharemywin 5y ago
News is driven by human nature. we're drawn to drama and conflict. you clicked on this just like I did. why?

noah_buddy 5y ago

>I don't think encouraging the spread of disease is likely to cheer them up much. Describing socialization and face to face interaction in these terms is incredibly callous.

guyzero 5y ago
Wearing a mask and not meeting in large groups is not stopping socialization. Acknowledging that certain behaviours spread an already virulent disease isn't callous, it's realistic and it's why the pandemic is depressing. Ignoring covid doesn't make most people feel any better, they know it exists.
- robhunter 5y ago
  Wearing a mask in school - or not wearing a mask in school - does nothing to impact the spread of the virus.
  - thyrsus 5y ago
    Are there data to support this? The original article cited Scandinavian experience, but I'm having trouble finding a reliable source.
    - robhunter 5y ago
      The most convincing data I've seen is from Spain (https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/science/articles/cult-masked-schoolchildren https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/science/articles/cult-mas...) They masked 6+ year olds and did not mask anyone under 6 in school. You'd expect higher rates of Covid in the 5 year olds than the 6 year olds. In fact, it was the exact opposite - rate of spread was perfectly correlated with age. Masks showed no impact. There's also interesting data from North Dakota (https://twitter.com/TracyBethHoeg/status/1470072066380419072 https://twitter.com/TracyBethHoeg/status/1470072066380419072). This is a great dataset because it controls for a lot of variables - it's two school districts in the same county; one optional and one mandatory. The mandatory masking county consistently has had higher rates of Covid.

wernercd 5y ago

"Encouraging the spread of disease" They are stastically more likely to die from tripping on a sidewalk than dying of Covid. Telling them they are "spreading disease" when it's literally a cold/flu is irresponsible... The problem is the fear of COVID has reached religious status and only heathens talk against the Church. The COVID Crusaders will burn witches at the stake no matter if they are spreading fear not based in facts or reality.

dpark 5y ago
> it's literally a cold/flu > they are spreading fear not based in facts or reality. You can’t appeal to facts and reality and then also falsely claim COVID is literally a cold/flu. A cold and a flu aren’t even the same thing as each other. And COVID is certainly neither of those with over 5 million deaths worldwide. Even if you think the numbers are inflated, COVID has still killed something like an order of magnitude more people than the flu would in the same timespan. You don’t convince others by listening by spreading your own lies. Rational thought is not built on misinformation.
- wernercd 5y ago
  "then also falsely claim COVID is literally a cold/flu" It's in the same area... the only difference is we've had those for generations and covid is new. COVID is in effect a bad flu... "5 million deaths" 5 million deaths FROM covid or WITH COVID? Hint: You don't know because we don't know... those numbers are mixed, conflated and confused. "Order of magnitude" In places like the US where hospitals get 30% more money for stamping "something" as "covid"? Hard to take numbers seriously... especially when you admit that "FROM" COVID and "WITH" COVID are different things and haven't been tracked properly. If I have a heart attack... but I had COVID... Am I a COVID death or not? Currently, it's yes... you're a COVID death no matter what kills you. No matter that you're really not a COVID death. "rational thought is not built on misinformation" but the fear around COVID is. That's why kids who are statistically more likely to die tripping on a sidewalk are getting pushed to get vaccines that don't block transmition, don't stop covid and won't end the pandemic. People aren't getting vaccinated for "rational though" because if they were then the people getting the vaccines would be the people who need the extra protection - as they also get that extra protection. Not kids or people in their 20's and younger who are proven a LONG time ago to not need to live in fear. It's not rational thought that's driving COVID at this point. It's fear, misinformation, lies and the Holy Religion of The Vaccine.