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yes so lets do our best to make sure they cry as much as possible, especially if its for no justifiable reason what a ridiculous comment

terminatornet 5y ago
Do you think they might be upset when their parents lungs turn to swiss cheese because they brought home covid from school or nah?
- sha256sum 5y ago
  If those parents are as baselessly paranoid as you, they should keep their children home or find other accommodations.
- remarkEon 5y ago
  >when their parents lungs turn to swiss cheese I'm going to be charitable and assume you don't think this actually happens, and are simply using this image for rhetorical effect. But, in the interest of trying to be helpful in yet-another-stupid-covid-thread, here's the CDC's take[1]: >Among 1,228,664 persons who completed primary vaccination during December 2020–October 2021, severe COVID-19–associated outcomes (0.015%) or death (0.0033%) were rare. Risk factors for severe outcomes included age ≥65 years, immunosuppressed, and six other underlying conditions. All persons with severe outcomes had at least one risk factor; 78% of persons who died had at least four. [Emphasis mine] Now, I'm not saying it's time to stop worrying about this completely. Who knows, maybe a new "worse" variant comes up. But the existing data does not in any way make me worried about getting this, because I'm relatively young and healthy. Make your own judgements on personal risk, but if I were in charge I'd go completely back to normal tomorrow. Those who are still concerned are free to quarantine of their own free will, but I do not think it's fair to force the youngest to put their lives on pause because some people are still terrified of this. [1]https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7101a4.htm?s_cid=mm7101a4_w https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7101a4.htm?s_cid=mm...
  - MattRix 5y ago
    Ok now show the data of what percentage of people have long term side effects from having covid.
    - ryathal 5y ago
      Similar to chronic Lyme and not really relevant.
  - terminatornet 5y ago
    Thanks for not taking the bait on my comment. My only issue with the argument you provided is that the CDC is pointing to comorbidities as a reason why we shouldn't worry about covid anymore. "Hey, I'm young and healthy, why should I worry about it?" feels like the wrong attitude we should be taking as a society. I don't want anyone, comorbidities or otherwise to have to suffer the effects of covid and I think the fact that many hospitals and healthcare workers (at least in the US), seemed to be at their breaking point means now does not feel like the time to try and ignore covid
    - noah_buddy 5y ago
      > I don't want anyone, comorbidities or otherwise to have to suffer the effects of covid This is a childish worldview, not because empathy is wrong or harm minimization is wrong but because you're subjectively presuming that COVID harm is more valid a goal to minimize than: depression and suicide, deaths and bad health due to inactivity, etc, etc. Further, we have no idea of the knock-on effects, perhaps we'll realize in ten years that we've created a demographic time bomb because everyone under the age of 20 right now will be incredibly distrustful of society and government, and choose to not actively contribute. My point is, someone is being harmed by the choices we make, even if COVID deaths go down (but, then again, with all our actions in the US, we've seemingly not avoided that much COVID infection and death, worst of both worlds). >and I think the fact that many hospitals and healthcare workers (at least in the US), seemed to be at their breaking point means now does not feel like the time to try and ignore covid Perhaps, the issue is that we've created an industry where the credentialing is monopolized by special interest groups when we also need that industry to be adequately staffed to absorb shocks like pandemics. If we wanted to alleviate overburdened doctors, we could've eliminated the functional cap on the number of students studying each year to be doctors back in 2020. But, your average doctor would actually oppose that choice, because their incentives are not aligned with society's.
igetspam 5y ago
We all do risk assessment differently. My wife is immunocompromised. My kid is four. We justify our decisions by accepting that being cautious is a safe choice. Mommy can get really sick and our kid is too young to get a vaccination.
- josephcsible 5y ago
  And that's fine. You should be allowed to homeschool your kids or enroll them in online learning. But you shouldn't be allowed to force restrictions on everyone else's kids.

terminatornet 5y ago

Do you think they might be upset when their parents lungs turn to swiss cheese because they brought home covid from school or nah?

sha256sum 5y ago
If those parents are as baselessly paranoid as you, they should keep their children home or find other accommodations.
remarkEon 5y ago
>when their parents lungs turn to swiss cheese I'm going to be charitable and assume you don't think this actually happens, and are simply using this image for rhetorical effect. But, in the interest of trying to be helpful in yet-another-stupid-covid-thread, here's the CDC's take[1]: >Among 1,228,664 persons who completed primary vaccination during December 2020–October 2021, severe COVID-19–associated outcomes (0.015%) or death (0.0033%) were rare. Risk factors for severe outcomes included age ≥65 years, immunosuppressed, and six other underlying conditions. All persons with severe outcomes had at least one risk factor; 78% of persons who died had at least four. [Emphasis mine] Now, I'm not saying it's time to stop worrying about this completely. Who knows, maybe a new "worse" variant comes up. But the existing data does not in any way make me worried about getting this, because I'm relatively young and healthy. Make your own judgements on personal risk, but if I were in charge I'd go completely back to normal tomorrow. Those who are still concerned are free to quarantine of their own free will, but I do not think it's fair to force the youngest to put their lives on pause because some people are still terrified of this. [1]https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7101a4.htm?s_cid=mm7101a4_w https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7101a4.htm?s_cid=mm...
- MattRix 5y ago
  Ok now show the data of what percentage of people have long term side effects from having covid.
  - ryathal 5y ago
    Similar to chronic Lyme and not really relevant.
- terminatornet 5y ago
  Thanks for not taking the bait on my comment. My only issue with the argument you provided is that the CDC is pointing to comorbidities as a reason why we shouldn't worry about covid anymore. "Hey, I'm young and healthy, why should I worry about it?" feels like the wrong attitude we should be taking as a society. I don't want anyone, comorbidities or otherwise to have to suffer the effects of covid and I think the fact that many hospitals and healthcare workers (at least in the US), seemed to be at their breaking point means now does not feel like the time to try and ignore covid
  - noah_buddy 5y ago
    > I don't want anyone, comorbidities or otherwise to have to suffer the effects of covid This is a childish worldview, not because empathy is wrong or harm minimization is wrong but because you're subjectively presuming that COVID harm is more valid a goal to minimize than: depression and suicide, deaths and bad health due to inactivity, etc, etc. Further, we have no idea of the knock-on effects, perhaps we'll realize in ten years that we've created a demographic time bomb because everyone under the age of 20 right now will be incredibly distrustful of society and government, and choose to not actively contribute. My point is, someone is being harmed by the choices we make, even if COVID deaths go down (but, then again, with all our actions in the US, we've seemingly not avoided that much COVID infection and death, worst of both worlds). >and I think the fact that many hospitals and healthcare workers (at least in the US), seemed to be at their breaking point means now does not feel like the time to try and ignore covid Perhaps, the issue is that we've created an industry where the credentialing is monopolized by special interest groups when we also need that industry to be adequately staffed to absorb shocks like pandemics. If we wanted to alleviate overburdened doctors, we could've eliminated the functional cap on the number of students studying each year to be doctors back in 2020. But, your average doctor would actually oppose that choice, because their incentives are not aligned with society's.

igetspam 5y ago

We all do risk assessment differently. My wife is immunocompromised. My kid is four. We justify our decisions by accepting that being cautious is a safe choice. Mommy can get really sick and our kid is too young to get a vaccination.

josephcsible 5y ago
And that's fine. You should be allowed to homeschool your kids or enroll them in online learning. But you shouldn't be allowed to force restrictions on everyone else's kids.