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I am long term bearish on Spotify, and if I could isolate Apples music business or Amazons, I would take the following trade all day: long (aapl music)(amzn mu

I am long term bearish on Spotify, and if I could isolate Apples music business or Amazons, I would take the following trade all day: long (aapl music)(amzn music)(youtube music), short Spotify. Their recommendation engine is just not that good. Youtube Music has a far superior one.

bradly 5y ago
I still don't understand how a business can be unprofitable for 16 years. At one point don't you say, "whelp, this isn't going to work"?
- gorjusborg 5y ago
  https://www.barrons.com/articles/spotify-has-finally-found-a-profitable-tune-51635346820 https://www.barrons.com/articles/spotify-has-finally-found-a...
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  - bradly 5y ago
    Oh nice. They are getting close! Still unprofitable, but maybe year seventeen is the sweet spot.
michaelmarion 5y ago
I agree on the recommendation piece, but Apple’s playlist and library management is atrocious, especially on desktop. Why can’t I drag-and-drop music into a playlist in the sidebar? Apple Music also feels (to me, at least) much slower than Spotify. Most likely this is due to the more aggressive client-side caching that Spotify does, but it’s worth the trade-off, in my opinion. These are solvable problems for Apple, though. They need to more cleanly separate the legacy iTunes Store and pay-per-song UX from the Apple Music streaming paradigm. Maybe even have separate apps for them.
- rodgerd 5y ago
  The most frustrating thing in Apple Music for me is that it's album-centric. I can't just say "put this artist in my library". No, I have to put every individual album, EP, and single that I want.
  - ryantgtg 5y ago
    I just switched from Spotify to AM and that really frustrated me, too. They’re just trying to keep your library like a real world library, I guess. Side note: I abandoned spotify simply because of this design change: https://community.spotify.com/t5/Live-Ideas/AutoPlay-Option-to-toggle-Autoplay-on-off-across-all-devices/idi-p/5283776 https://community.spotify.com/t5/Live-Ideas/AutoPlay-Option-... Can’t toggle off autoplay in some circumstances! Totally unacceptable.
gorjusborg 5y ago
All I have to say to that is that I'd lend you my Spotify shares to complete the trade.

bradly 5y ago

I still don't understand how a business can be unprofitable for 16 years. At one point don't you say, "whelp, this isn't going to work"?

gorjusborg 5y ago
https://www.barrons.com/articles/spotify-has-finally-found-a-profitable-tune-51635346820 https://www.barrons.com/articles/spotify-has-finally-found-a...
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- bradly 5y ago
  Oh nice. They are getting close! Still unprofitable, but maybe year seventeen is the sweet spot.

michaelmarion 5y ago

I agree on the recommendation piece, but Apple’s playlist and library management is atrocious, especially on desktop. Why can’t I drag-and-drop music into a playlist in the sidebar? Apple Music also feels (to me, at least) much slower than Spotify. Most likely this is due to the more aggressive client-side caching that Spotify does, but it’s worth the trade-off, in my opinion. These are solvable problems for Apple, though. They need to more cleanly separate the legacy iTunes Store and pay-per-song UX from the Apple Music streaming paradigm. Maybe even have separate apps for them.

rodgerd 5y ago
The most frustrating thing in Apple Music for me is that it's album-centric. I can't just say "put this artist in my library". No, I have to put every individual album, EP, and single that I want.
- ryantgtg 5y ago
  I just switched from Spotify to AM and that really frustrated me, too. They’re just trying to keep your library like a real world library, I guess. Side note: I abandoned spotify simply because of this design change: https://community.spotify.com/t5/Live-Ideas/AutoPlay-Option-to-toggle-Autoplay-on-off-across-all-devices/idi-p/5283776 https://community.spotify.com/t5/Live-Ideas/AutoPlay-Option-... Can’t toggle off autoplay in some circumstances! Totally unacceptable.

gorjusborg 5y ago

All I have to say to that is that I'd lend you my Spotify shares to complete the trade.