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Is a website considered a private space (maybe not, but you agree to a TOS when you fly AA)? If so, you should have the right to say how your space is used by o

Is a website considered a private space (maybe not, but you agree to a TOS when you fly AA)? If so, you should have the right to say how your space is used by others, regardless of if we believe marketing is ethical or not. If AA doesn't want their data being used anywhere else, sounds like they should have the right to do that, just like we have the right to remove people from our private spaces if they do things against our rules. You also have the choice not to fly AA.

joe_the_user 5y ago
It's pretty outrageous that to fly with a given airlines you give up X many rights of online use. This seems to fit the definition of an unconscionable contract pretty well. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscionability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscionability
matheusmoreira 5y ago
Their servers are their own private spaces. That's the line. I will not do anything that subverts their control of their own computers. I will not make their servers execute my code. Their website, however, is just data they sent to my computer. They have exactly zero right to dictate what I do on my computer. Their HTML is being rendered on my computer and I absolutely reserve the right to delete or modify elements in any way and for any reason. Their javascript is executing on my computer and I absolutely reserve the right to delete and modify functions if I deem necessary.
dkonofalski 5y ago
The issue with this sentiment, in my opinion, is that users have access to this data by logging in and they've provided the app with that access by providing their credentials. Unless a court is going to go down the road of preventing users from sharing their own information, I don't see how AA can do anything about this. If you can view this info in a web browser, you can scrape it.
- matheusmoreira 5y ago
  They'll invent some "acceptable use policy" document that says you can only talk to their servers using their software which of course does what they want, namely monetize your attention by showing you ads. Then they'll trick and coerce people into accepting or signing it. Complete bullshit but it's totally something these judges would understand. One would think these people would actually protect consumers from corporation abuse...

joe_the_user 5y ago

It's pretty outrageous that to fly with a given airlines you give up X many rights of online use. This seems to fit the definition of an unconscionable contract pretty well. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscionability https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unconscionability

matheusmoreira 5y ago

Their servers are their own private spaces. That's the line. I will not do anything that subverts their control of their own computers. I will not make their servers execute my code. Their website, however, is just data they sent to my computer. They have exactly zero right to dictate what I do on my computer. Their HTML is being rendered on my computer and I absolutely reserve the right to delete or modify elements in any way and for any reason. Their javascript is executing on my computer and I absolutely reserve the right to delete and modify functions if I deem necessary.

dkonofalski 5y ago

The issue with this sentiment, in my opinion, is that users have access to this data by logging in and they've provided the app with that access by providing their credentials. Unless a court is going to go down the road of preventing users from sharing their own information, I don't see how AA can do anything about this. If you can view this info in a web browser, you can scrape it.

matheusmoreira 5y ago
They'll invent some "acceptable use policy" document that says you can only talk to their servers using their software which of course does what they want, namely monetize your attention by showing you ads. Then they'll trick and coerce people into accepting or signing it. Complete bullshit but it's totally something these judges would understand. One would think these people would actually protect consumers from corporation abuse...