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Windows 11 has made a lot of questionable choices that are leading to a lot of people staying on Windows 10 voluntarily. Windows 11 has additionally made a lot

by dljsjr 5y ago

Windows 11 has made a lot of questionable choices that are leading to a lot of people staying on Windows 10 voluntarily. Windows 11 has additionally made a lot of questionable choices that are forcing a lot of people to stay on Windows 10 involuntarily (e.g. they don't support motherboards w/out TPM's and they don't officially support CPUs that aren't relatively new; e.g. it only "supports" Intel CPUs that are 8th gen or newer regardless of cores/frequency)

Kye 5y ago
"People are staying on [previous Windows] due to problems and questionable choices made with [new Windows]." The claim stays the same, but the version keeps incrementing. I'm not convinced this is a thing in meaningful numbers.
- franga2000 5y ago
  The numbers are quite easily available to check. On Steam, Win11 is at 10% vs Win10 at 81% (december 2021). Look at how long Win7 stuck around (it's still above 3%!) and back then, Win10 had actual benefits over Win7. This time, the upgrade is a regression across the board.
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    Yeah, 11 is currently just a buggy beta for some bad UI changes. That will hopefully change in the future, but right now it has basically nothing on its feature list to counteract the problems. If you don't use WSL2 then... there's better HDR support sometimes? And the android app thing doesn't count until it's in release builds.
  - NoahKAndrews 5y ago
    For starters, Windows 11 has vastly better search, nicer UI, and improvements to multi-monitor support. I have no regrets about updating.
    - brokenmachine 5y ago
      You can't tell the taskbar to "never combine" in Windows 11. That alone is enough for me to hate it.
    - franga2000 5y ago
      Multi-monitor support that...removes the clock from non-primary displays... Also still no sign of tray icons, keybinds for moving windows between monitors or anything else that was already possible since Windows 7 using DisplayFusion. Search that is significantly slower than win10 while being "vastly better" only because win10 search was straight up non-functional and win11 can at least find what you're looking for (whether it's in a reasonable order and doesn't reshuffle with every keystroke seems to be a gamble each update). "Nicer UI" that only a minority of users actually like, removes support for very common configurations, some of which are objectively more efficient for certain use-cases (side taskbar, ungrouped windows...). Don't get me wrong, if it works for you, that's great! But make no mistake, Windows 11 is a complete dumpster fire from a UX perspective.
    - Dylan16807 5y ago
      > vastly better search I suppose, but I refuse to give it any credit for finally fixing the search that worked fine over a decade ago. The rest is pretty marginal.
  - NoahKAndrews 5y ago
    Snap Layouts are also excellent.
ChuckNorris89 5y ago
>e.g. they don't support motherboards w/out TPM's and they don't officially support CPUs that aren't relatively new; e.g. it only "supports" Intel CPUs that are 8th gen or newer regardless of cores/frequency Can we please end this FUD that keeps parroted over and over? Microsoft themselves mention that TPM 2.0 and CPU model requirements are just soft-requirements checked if you go the upgrade path but are not enforced if you do a fresh install from image[1] when only TPM 1.2 is the single hard requirement, but every CPU after 2011 should have it. I installed from image Win 11 on multiple PCs with chips way older than Intel 8th gen and had no speedbumps. [1] "Important: An image install of Windows 11 will not check for the following requirements: TPM 2.0 (at least TPM 1.2 is required) and CPU family and model." [1] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-windows-11-e0edbbfb-cfc5-4011-868b-2ce77ac7c70e https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-...
- jml7c5 5y ago
  On the other hand, from that page: >We do not recommend installing Windows 11 on a device that doesn't meet requirements. And on a linked page: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/installing-windows-11-on-devices-that-don-t-meet-minimum-system-requirements-0b2dc4a2-5933-4ad4-9c09-ef0a331518f1 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/installing-windo... >Installing Windows 11 on a device that does not meet Windows 11 minimum system requirements is not recommended. >If you proceed with installing Windows 11, your PC will no longer be supported and won't be entitled to receive updates. --- I would update to Windows 11, but the possibility that I will stop receiving updates (or that at some point updates will no longer be compatible) makes it unappealing.
- dljsjr 5y ago
  "Support" refers not to the ability to make the installation, but rather whether or not Microsoft is going to spend energy making sure their OS works well on the given configuration. The fact that they straight up say that these configurations may not be eligible for auto-updates is very much saying they do not support these configurations.

by dljsjr 5y ago

Kye 5y ago

"People are staying on [previous Windows] due to problems and questionable choices made with [new Windows]." The claim stays the same, but the version keeps incrementing. I'm not convinced this is a thing in meaningful numbers.

franga2000 5y ago
The numbers are quite easily available to check. On Steam, Win11 is at 10% vs Win10 at 81% (december 2021). Look at how long Win7 stuck around (it's still above 3%!) and back then, Win10 had actual benefits over Win7. This time, the upgrade is a regression across the board.
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  Yeah, 11 is currently just a buggy beta for some bad UI changes. That will hopefully change in the future, but right now it has basically nothing on its feature list to counteract the problems. If you don't use WSL2 then... there's better HDR support sometimes? And the android app thing doesn't count until it's in release builds.
- NoahKAndrews 5y ago
  For starters, Windows 11 has vastly better search, nicer UI, and improvements to multi-monitor support. I have no regrets about updating.
  - brokenmachine 5y ago
    You can't tell the taskbar to "never combine" in Windows 11. That alone is enough for me to hate it.
  - franga2000 5y ago
    Multi-monitor support that...removes the clock from non-primary displays... Also still no sign of tray icons, keybinds for moving windows between monitors or anything else that was already possible since Windows 7 using DisplayFusion. Search that is significantly slower than win10 while being "vastly better" only because win10 search was straight up non-functional and win11 can at least find what you're looking for (whether it's in a reasonable order and doesn't reshuffle with every keystroke seems to be a gamble each update). "Nicer UI" that only a minority of users actually like, removes support for very common configurations, some of which are objectively more efficient for certain use-cases (side taskbar, ungrouped windows...). Don't get me wrong, if it works for you, that's great! But make no mistake, Windows 11 is a complete dumpster fire from a UX perspective.
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    > vastly better search I suppose, but I refuse to give it any credit for finally fixing the search that worked fine over a decade ago. The rest is pretty marginal.
- NoahKAndrews 5y ago
  Snap Layouts are also excellent.

ChuckNorris89 5y ago

>e.g. they don't support motherboards w/out TPM's and they don't officially support CPUs that aren't relatively new; e.g. it only "supports" Intel CPUs that are 8th gen or newer regardless of cores/frequency Can we please end this FUD that keeps parroted over and over? Microsoft themselves mention that TPM 2.0 and CPU model requirements are just soft-requirements checked if you go the upgrade path but are not enforced if you do a fresh install from image[1] when only TPM 1.2 is the single hard requirement, but every CPU after 2011 should have it. I installed from image Win 11 on multiple PCs with chips way older than Intel 8th gen and had no speedbumps. [1] "Important: An image install of Windows 11 will not check for the following requirements: TPM 2.0 (at least TPM 1.2 is required) and CPU family and model." [1] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-windows-11-e0edbbfb-cfc5-4011-868b-2ce77ac7c70e https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/ways-to-install-...

jml7c5 5y ago
On the other hand, from that page: >We do not recommend installing Windows 11 on a device that doesn't meet requirements. And on a linked page: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/installing-windows-11-on-devices-that-don-t-meet-minimum-system-requirements-0b2dc4a2-5933-4ad4-9c09-ef0a331518f1 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/installing-windo... >Installing Windows 11 on a device that does not meet Windows 11 minimum system requirements is not recommended. >If you proceed with installing Windows 11, your PC will no longer be supported and won't be entitled to receive updates. --- I would update to Windows 11, but the possibility that I will stop receiving updates (or that at some point updates will no longer be compatible) makes it unappealing.
dljsjr 5y ago
"Support" refers not to the ability to make the installation, but rather whether or not Microsoft is going to spend energy making sure their OS works well on the given configuration. The fact that they straight up say that these configurations may not be eligible for auto-updates is very much saying they do not support these configurations.