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I feel like you almost need some kind of eating disorder these days. Our Bread, milk, meat is all unnatural and mass produced, there is a massive amount of suga

I feel like you almost need some kind of eating disorder these days. Our Bread, milk, meat is all unnatural and mass produced, there is a massive amount of sugar in everything. If you aren’t actively monitoring your food intake and making deliberate decisions to not eat your gonna be unhealthy. I like the quote: “keep whatever addictions kill you the slowest”. I think a minor eating disorder is preferable to eating 100s of grams of sugar every day.

knaik94 5y ago
Moderation in eating isn't equivalent to a minor eating disorder. I agree though that some behavior you need to do today might have been seen as symptoms of a type of disordered eating in the past. But by definition, if it's keeping you healthy, it mostly shouldn't be considered disordered. I know in the past cutting up food into very small pieces was seen as a symptom of disordered eating because the thought was that you're intentionally slowing your eating so you eat less. Today's portion sizes in the US make it mandatory to break up a pre-prepared meal or a snack into smaller pieces so each bite isn't so calorically dense. In fact, in certain contexts, cutting up food is seen as proper and having manners. If you're eating a big piece of meat, you don't grab it in your hands and chew on it, generally. You cut it up into bite sized pieces.
- russdill 5y ago
  Really wish there was a polite and socially acceptable way to ask for a reasonable portion.
  - knaik94 5y ago
    It's both fortunate and unfortunate that I come from a culture with rich delicious food and implicit pressure from elders to never deny an extra serving or leave food on the plate. It's hard saying no to a loving aunt or grandma. And most celebrations are marked by giving deserts and sweets.
acchow 5y ago
The sugar only comes from eating packaged products. Buy groceries to make your own food and there's no sugar problem. Snack on vegetables and tree nuts.
- AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
  Fair warning everybody: nuts are incredibly calorie dense.
  - throwuxiytayq 5y ago
    It's fine.
  - smegsicle 5y ago
    Fair warning everybody: vegetables are packed with nutrients.
    - eyegor 5y ago
      Unfortunately we have bred a good chunk of them away over the last century. Median 5 to 40% deline in mineral content as of this 2009 meta analysis, likely even worse now. https://journals.ashs.org/hortsci/view/journals/hortsci/44/1/article-p15.xml https://journals.ashs.org/hortsci/view/journals/hortsci/44/1...
  - djtango 5y ago
    Calories are not just calories. They're a useful rule of thumb but they're not a metric to live and die by. Always remember that calorimetry is basically burning mass(nut) and measuring energy(nut) by how much it increased the temperature of some water. Combustion is an extremely primitive hand wave over the VERY COMPLEX digestive system not to mention how we then go on to store that energy (glycogen vs fat) and then eventually burn that energy. Drinking x ml of olive oil vs eating y g of nuts for equal calories will have different outcomes even though they're primarily both fats. Fiber is key and will affect energy absorption intake. Even chewing efficiency will affect how well you absorb that energy. Let's not forget that digestion itself takes energy. Obviously if you eat an extra 2kcal of nuts a day you're going to see the effects of that, but calorie for calorie, I'd rather eat nuts than a big mac or ice cream (and expect to see less weight gain) Or being healthy - I'd rather have whole almonds supplementing my meals than cottage cheese (from a pure calories perspective)
joe-collins 5y ago
Mass production isn't inherently bad, and you're explicitly making an appeal to nature of questionable worth. There's plenty to find fault with in the modern food industry: toxic or carcinogenic pesticides, antibiotic-resistant pathogens created by human abuse, contamination of water supplies and oceans with runoff, the role of government in creating various health crises by subsidizing high-carb/high-glycemic index foods simply because they're a cheap way to feed a population, ground subsidence due to unchecked dependence on slow-filling aquifers, native habitat destruction... off the top of my head. But all of that doesn't make "natural", on its own, better for human nutrition.
- smegsicle 5y ago
  > Mass production isn't inherently bad Mass production is inherently corner-cutting, and, given that nutrition is an unsolved problem, natural is inherently wholesome in a way that artificial can, at best, only attempt to duplicate.
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  - adrianN 5y ago
    In Germany we mass produce bread that essentially contains exactly the same things I'd put in it if I made it myself.
    - MrGilbert 5y ago
      This. Even if something gets „mass-produced“, it doesn't mean it has to be bad. It just won't be the cheapest product on the market any longer.
      - mrguyorama 5y ago
        Frozen vegetables are basically raw, untouched, pretty good for you food, and they are grown by pretty terrible corporations trying to make as much scummy money as possible, and it STILL only costs me about a buck a pound or less at the grocery store.
ip26 5y ago
It's like the popular line, Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you. My behavior definitely looks like an eating disorder sometimes. But holy hell, they're still putting unhealthy-at-any-level trans fats in regular food, and the label can say "0g trans fat"!
halpert 5y ago
It’s true, but an eating disorder doesn’t mean eating scantly, or even throwing up after every time you eat if that’s a choice you make. Eating disorders are compulsions, and those that suffer from them aren’t able to choose not to do them. This is similar to how alcoholism doesn’t mean drinking a lot. Alcoholism is a complete dependence on alcohol, making it nearly impossible to stop.
- jader201 5y ago
  > or even throwing up after every time you eat if that’s a choice you make I think that’s a misleading statement to make. While this could be theoretically true, I imagine, in practice, no one would choose to throw up after every meal without having a disorder.
  - halpert 5y ago
    Sure, but the point is that if you choose to do it, then your behavior is not a disorder, it's just a weird choice that you're making. Just like drinking heavily doesn't automatically make you an alcoholic.
    - spdionis 5y ago
      I think the line of "choice" here gets blurred, which is exactly what disorder refers to in the usual context.
Mumps 5y ago
> Our Bread, milk, meat is all unnatural Please avoid this emotional appeal. All things are natural. What would be unnatural? Ectoplasm? Sorcery? > there is a massive amount of sugar in everything Not everything. This even lead to a somewhat humourous case against Subway's bread [0]. Other commenters have pointed out how flawed your mass production statement is as well, so I won't reheash. * [0] https://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/subway-bread-not-actually-bread-19036680 https://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/subwa...

knaik94 5y ago

Moderation in eating isn't equivalent to a minor eating disorder. I agree though that some behavior you need to do today might have been seen as symptoms of a type of disordered eating in the past. But by definition, if it's keeping you healthy, it mostly shouldn't be considered disordered. I know in the past cutting up food into very small pieces was seen as a symptom of disordered eating because the thought was that you're intentionally slowing your eating so you eat less. Today's portion sizes in the US make it mandatory to break up a pre-prepared meal or a snack into smaller pieces so each bite isn't so calorically dense. In fact, in certain contexts, cutting up food is seen as proper and having manners. If you're eating a big piece of meat, you don't grab it in your hands and chew on it, generally. You cut it up into bite sized pieces.

russdill 5y ago
Really wish there was a polite and socially acceptable way to ask for a reasonable portion.
- knaik94 5y ago
  It's both fortunate and unfortunate that I come from a culture with rich delicious food and implicit pressure from elders to never deny an extra serving or leave food on the plate. It's hard saying no to a loving aunt or grandma. And most celebrations are marked by giving deserts and sweets.

acchow 5y ago

The sugar only comes from eating packaged products. Buy groceries to make your own food and there's no sugar problem. Snack on vegetables and tree nuts.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
Fair warning everybody: nuts are incredibly calorie dense.
- throwuxiytayq 5y ago
  It's fine.
- smegsicle 5y ago
  Fair warning everybody: vegetables are packed with nutrients.
  - eyegor 5y ago
    Unfortunately we have bred a good chunk of them away over the last century. Median 5 to 40% deline in mineral content as of this 2009 meta analysis, likely even worse now. https://journals.ashs.org/hortsci/view/journals/hortsci/44/1/article-p15.xml https://journals.ashs.org/hortsci/view/journals/hortsci/44/1...
- djtango 5y ago
  Calories are not just calories. They're a useful rule of thumb but they're not a metric to live and die by. Always remember that calorimetry is basically burning mass(nut) and measuring energy(nut) by how much it increased the temperature of some water. Combustion is an extremely primitive hand wave over the VERY COMPLEX digestive system not to mention how we then go on to store that energy (glycogen vs fat) and then eventually burn that energy. Drinking x ml of olive oil vs eating y g of nuts for equal calories will have different outcomes even though they're primarily both fats. Fiber is key and will affect energy absorption intake. Even chewing efficiency will affect how well you absorb that energy. Let's not forget that digestion itself takes energy. Obviously if you eat an extra 2kcal of nuts a day you're going to see the effects of that, but calorie for calorie, I'd rather eat nuts than a big mac or ice cream (and expect to see less weight gain) Or being healthy - I'd rather have whole almonds supplementing my meals than cottage cheese (from a pure calories perspective)

joe-collins 5y ago

Mass production isn't inherently bad, and you're explicitly making an appeal to nature of questionable worth. There's plenty to find fault with in the modern food industry: toxic or carcinogenic pesticides, antibiotic-resistant pathogens created by human abuse, contamination of water supplies and oceans with runoff, the role of government in creating various health crises by subsidizing high-carb/high-glycemic index foods simply because they're a cheap way to feed a population, ground subsidence due to unchecked dependence on slow-filling aquifers, native habitat destruction... off the top of my head. But all of that doesn't make "natural", on its own, better for human nutrition.

smegsicle 5y ago
> Mass production isn't inherently bad Mass production is inherently corner-cutting, and, given that nutrition is an unsolved problem, natural is inherently wholesome in a way that artificial can, at best, only attempt to duplicate.
- deleted 5y ago
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- adrianN 5y ago
  In Germany we mass produce bread that essentially contains exactly the same things I'd put in it if I made it myself.
  - MrGilbert 5y ago
    This. Even if something gets „mass-produced“, it doesn't mean it has to be bad. It just won't be the cheapest product on the market any longer.
    - mrguyorama 5y ago
      Frozen vegetables are basically raw, untouched, pretty good for you food, and they are grown by pretty terrible corporations trying to make as much scummy money as possible, and it STILL only costs me about a buck a pound or less at the grocery store.

ip26 5y ago

It's like the popular line, Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you. My behavior definitely looks like an eating disorder sometimes. But holy hell, they're still putting unhealthy-at-any-level trans fats in regular food, and the label can say "0g trans fat"!

halpert 5y ago

It’s true, but an eating disorder doesn’t mean eating scantly, or even throwing up after every time you eat if that’s a choice you make. Eating disorders are compulsions, and those that suffer from them aren’t able to choose not to do them. This is similar to how alcoholism doesn’t mean drinking a lot. Alcoholism is a complete dependence on alcohol, making it nearly impossible to stop.

jader201 5y ago
> or even throwing up after every time you eat if that’s a choice you make I think that’s a misleading statement to make. While this could be theoretically true, I imagine, in practice, no one would choose to throw up after every meal without having a disorder.
- halpert 5y ago
  Sure, but the point is that if you choose to do it, then your behavior is not a disorder, it's just a weird choice that you're making. Just like drinking heavily doesn't automatically make you an alcoholic.
  - spdionis 5y ago
    I think the line of "choice" here gets blurred, which is exactly what disorder refers to in the usual context.

Mumps 5y ago

> Our Bread, milk, meat is all unnatural Please avoid this emotional appeal. All things are natural. What would be unnatural? Ectoplasm? Sorcery? > there is a massive amount of sugar in everything Not everything. This even lead to a somewhat humourous case against Subway's bread [0]. Other commenters have pointed out how flawed your mass production statement is as well, so I won't reheash. * [0] https://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/subway-bread-not-actually-bread-19036680 https://www.walesonline.co.uk/whats-on/food-drink-news/subwa...