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A lot of that was due to drug consumption "crimes;" there has been a reevaluation of the outcome of that and we've gone away from that. That said, anti-social

by mc32 5y ago

A lot of that was due to drug consumption "crimes;" there has been a reevaluation of the outcome of that and we've gone away from that. That said, anti-social crime should have deterrents and consequences.

cameldrv 5y ago
That’s why some drugs are illegal. Addiction causes many people to generally destroy their lives and many of those to resort to crime.
- mc32 5y ago
  A better option would be the ability to "cure" people of addiction --we can't. It's hard work for most people and we don't have magic cure pills. I am for criminalizing the sale of hard drugs, but not the consumption. Criminalizing consumption is lose-lose. Recreational drugs like Alcohol and MJ and others, as long as they are regulated and not highly addictive for the majority of the population, I don't think we'd benefit from criminalizing (see Prohibition and War on Drugs results). We would benefit more from programs to treat addition as ineffectual as they are.
- scollet 5y ago
  This doesn't explain a lot. Alcoholism and gambling both fit the bill. Even for those, adequate counseling and social support don't exist, practically, in the US. This is the infrastructure of society that bleeds when pressed, and many people could do with legal variants, or safe spaces to confront addiction.
  - cameldrv 5y ago
    Alcohol and gambling are both heavily regulated. Gambling was illegal in almost all of the U.S. until about 50 years ago, and it has only recently become widespread. Alcohol was entirely banned for a number of years and even today there are counties where you can’t buy alcohol. Even where you can there are many restrictions on hours of sale, licensing, etc.
    - scollet 5y ago
      I'm not following.
seanmcdirmid 5y ago
How are drug consumption crimes and anti social crimes not related? If someone on the streets needs their next hit, shop lifting LEGOs from the downtown Seattle Target is a fast way to get money for that hit (LEGO’s are easy to fence). Seeing what has happened on the streets due to meth, fentanyl, and heroin, if we are compassionate we have to pay for rehabilitating all that damage that drug use has caused. So…we make it illegal so we don’t have to pay those costs. Unfortunately, anything short of a Singaporean legal solution probably wouldn’t work, which isn’t something our society can accept. So here we are.

by mc32 5y ago

cameldrv 5y ago

That’s why some drugs are illegal. Addiction causes many people to generally destroy their lives and many of those to resort to crime.

mc32 5y ago
A better option would be the ability to "cure" people of addiction --we can't. It's hard work for most people and we don't have magic cure pills. I am for criminalizing the sale of hard drugs, but not the consumption. Criminalizing consumption is lose-lose. Recreational drugs like Alcohol and MJ and others, as long as they are regulated and not highly addictive for the majority of the population, I don't think we'd benefit from criminalizing (see Prohibition and War on Drugs results). We would benefit more from programs to treat addition as ineffectual as they are.
scollet 5y ago
This doesn't explain a lot. Alcoholism and gambling both fit the bill. Even for those, adequate counseling and social support don't exist, practically, in the US. This is the infrastructure of society that bleeds when pressed, and many people could do with legal variants, or safe spaces to confront addiction.
- cameldrv 5y ago
  Alcohol and gambling are both heavily regulated. Gambling was illegal in almost all of the U.S. until about 50 years ago, and it has only recently become widespread. Alcohol was entirely banned for a number of years and even today there are counties where you can’t buy alcohol. Even where you can there are many restrictions on hours of sale, licensing, etc.
  - scollet 5y ago
    I'm not following.

seanmcdirmid 5y ago

How are drug consumption crimes and anti social crimes not related? If someone on the streets needs their next hit, shop lifting LEGOs from the downtown Seattle Target is a fast way to get money for that hit (LEGO’s are easy to fence). Seeing what has happened on the streets due to meth, fentanyl, and heroin, if we are compassionate we have to pay for rehabilitating all that damage that drug use has caused. So…we make it illegal so we don’t have to pay those costs. Unfortunately, anything short of a Singaporean legal solution probably wouldn’t work, which isn’t something our society can accept. So here we are.