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It’s even more strict than that. A non-engineer is not allowed to be a supervisor of a civil engineer. This is why civil engineers work in a firm structure: the

It’s even more strict than that. A non-engineer is not allowed to be a supervisor of a civil engineer. This is why civil engineers work in a firm structure: the entire chain of command is made up of civil engineers. Any company who wants engineering work done must contract with a firm. This makes any potential conflicts of interest external rather than internal.

hardolaf 5y ago
This is also why most defense companies are run almost entirely by engineers. Even though they're not required to be, they organize themselves that way to ensure a culture of design excellence. It's better to fail to deliver a product than to deliver a product that will kill people.
- formerly_proven 5y ago
  > defense companies ... than to deliver a product that will kill people Isn't that the point?
  - hardolaf 5y ago
    Most products defense companies produce are to prevent people from dying or to do completely tangential tasks.
- julienfr112 5y ago
  Boeing and their famous 737 max screwup where run by engineers with solid work and engineering ethic ?
  - hardolaf 5y ago
    The decision to sell a safety feature as an optional extra was pushed by bean counters.
- amelius 5y ago
  Is this what went wrong at Boeing? Also, how is Tesla structured? Are software engineers working on autopilot functionality managed by true engineers?
  - hardolaf 5y ago
    Boeing ended up getting run by bean counters with the eventual expected results where the bean counters wanted to charge for a safety feature. Magically, the planes with the safety feature (every single plane sold to USA, Canada, and EU based airlines) had no issues. The ones sold to nations where they were trying to save money, had the issues that we all know of today. As for how Tesla is structured, well it's Musk at the top who delegates everything and spends his time on Twitter trying to boost the stock price to hit his quarterly stock price goals. As for if they're managed by engineers, I have no clue.

hardolaf 5y ago

This is also why most defense companies are run almost entirely by engineers. Even though they're not required to be, they organize themselves that way to ensure a culture of design excellence. It's better to fail to deliver a product than to deliver a product that will kill people.

formerly_proven 5y ago
> defense companies ... than to deliver a product that will kill people Isn't that the point?
- hardolaf 5y ago
  Most products defense companies produce are to prevent people from dying or to do completely tangential tasks.
julienfr112 5y ago
Boeing and their famous 737 max screwup where run by engineers with solid work and engineering ethic ?
- hardolaf 5y ago
  The decision to sell a safety feature as an optional extra was pushed by bean counters.
amelius 5y ago
Is this what went wrong at Boeing? Also, how is Tesla structured? Are software engineers working on autopilot functionality managed by true engineers?
- hardolaf 5y ago
  Boeing ended up getting run by bean counters with the eventual expected results where the bean counters wanted to charge for a safety feature. Magically, the planes with the safety feature (every single plane sold to USA, Canada, and EU based airlines) had no issues. The ones sold to nations where they were trying to save money, had the issues that we all know of today. As for how Tesla is structured, well it's Musk at the top who delegates everything and spends his time on Twitter trying to boost the stock price to hit his quarterly stock price goals. As for if they're managed by engineers, I have no clue.