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I think it's a little weird. I have used 1password at two jobs, and thought it was great, so I bought it for myself. They want money to sync my passwords betw

I think it's a little weird. I have used 1password at two jobs, and thought it was great, so I bought it for myself. They want money to sync my passwords between my Windows desktop and my iPhone. Seems reasonable to me. I program computers for a living and people pay me. I guess there was a free self-hosted type thing at one point in the past? That was before I ever heard of the product, so I'm not that upset that it's no longer advertised heavily or whatever. I do have one complaint. They do have k8s secret management, which I would like to use for my personal cluster, but it's just too expensive for that. Very weird to show it in the UI and then when you try to use it, quote you an insanely high price. (I just use sealed-secrets instead. If my cluster blows up, it will be a very irritating weekend rotating all the secrets. But good to do, so meh.)

ubalatte 5y ago
"Very weird to show it in the UI and then when you try to use it, quote you an insanely high price." How much did they quote? (if you're able to share)
- jrockway 5y ago
  Oh, it's on their website. It's $30/month for "25 vault access credits". I have no idea what consumes a vault access credit, but didn't want to pay $30/month for a personal project. (At my last job, I wrote something to rotate the passwords on our network equipment everyday. I just exec'd the 1password linux binary, and that was free. Why should I pay to integrate it with k8s?)
highwind 5y ago
I used to use 1Password when they just sold the application at a fixed price and I handle all the synchronization between machines. That option is no longer available. I'm one of the users who left because of this.
- cj 5y ago
  They used to offer synchronization via Dropbox. Is that still an option?
  - RealityWinner 5y ago
    You can still sync via third party options but the entire desktop apps are view only if you don't pay for a subscription.
- vmurthy 5y ago
  Hmmm , I have a Mac and an iPhone and the fixed price application from circa 2015-16. They are still in sync via iCloud. I can see "Sync with Dropbox" and "Sync with WLAN server" in the settings. Did you mean any custom sync options that may have existed?
darylteo 5y ago
> Very weird to show it in the UI a I thought this is a common pattern for assessing user interest. If you don't display it users don't know it is available. Very common in A/B testing to show different variations of CTAs as well.
Dylan16807 5y ago
> They want money to sync my passwords between my Windows desktop and my iPhone. Seems reasonable to me. Money for service is fine, but this is a long term thing, and I'm not going to pay $180 per 5 years to keep 100KB in sync. And the software doesn't justify that price either.
- BoorishBears 5y ago
  I like how you had to word it in terms of 5 years just to make it sound substantial... It's 3 dollars a month. You could be conservative with tissue paper and make up the difference to your monthly budget... so how much cheaper can you get that cheaper than tissue paper and still expect the service to be around forever.
  - Dylan16807 5y ago
    > I like how you had to word it in terms of 5 years just to make it sound substantial... Because I'm going to be using it for that long. > It's 3 dollars a month. For this single app. It's easy to justify $3 at a time, but suddenly you're paying a whole cable bill for marginal value. Decisions like this shouldn't be taken in complete isolation and rounded to zero. > and still expect the service to be around forever I don't want the service, just sell me the program. I could store my data in dropbox or microsoft or any email service or facebook. I could store it in S3 for 1 penny a month. I could pay 2/3 as much to get 100GB of space from google. The amount of money it takes to provide this service is completely disconnected from the cost, and the value I get is not from the service. The program is valuable, but I could buy a nice alternative program, avoid the pure-profit service, and buy myself something nice down the line. Maybe a higher tier GPU the next time I upgrade my computer. And I can only conserve so much tissue paper. One $3-per-month service could hold my data for thousands of apps. It's reasonable to ask me to have one such service. But I'm not paying once per app.
    - BoorishBears 5y ago
      > Because I'm going to be using it for that long. Cool, I'm planning to use it for a lifetime. The point is that you didn't just use the monthly number because it's extremely low as far as paid software subscriptions go... - And I don't do this: > Decisions like this shouldn't be taken in complete isolation and rounded to zero. So I don't end up worrying about: > For this single app. It's easy to justify $3 at a time, but suddenly you're paying a whole cable bill for marginal value. - > I don't want the service, just sell me the program. First off you literally just said: > Money for service is fine, but this is a long term thing, and I'm not going to pay $180 per 5 years to keep 100KB in sync. So clearly you want the service but feel it's too expensive... But secondly, software doesn't exist in a time bubble! Security updates, maintenance and support all exist and these are people trying to make a living while handling all that. It's super cool that you want to get their hard work in the most personally beneficial way, but they have this very reasonably priced service that lets the people have the software, and them have their livelihood. You can say "oh well I don't care about maintenance, I'll buy the new version if it's compatible with my OS", which again is super convenient for you... but once they hit plateaus in new users are they just supposed to pause development until old versions break? If the utility of the program was so low you wouldn't be asking them for it without the service after all... if it's "just storing 100kb of text" there's plenty of other options out there. 10 cents a day for something that saves a lot of stress is a great price.
phlakaton 5y ago
Not free that I was ever aware – it was a fixed-price app when I first got it – but you could store your vault on any network drive, and later Dropbox became the way to sync between mobile & desktop. But it was a bit tricky to set up with the extra auth & auth hassle and "now where did I put my vault?" issues. As much as I liked that approach, it's hard to deny the current cloud-based service is easier to get going with.

ubalatte 5y ago

"Very weird to show it in the UI and then when you try to use it, quote you an insanely high price." How much did they quote? (if you're able to share)

jrockway 5y ago
Oh, it's on their website. It's $30/month for "25 vault access credits". I have no idea what consumes a vault access credit, but didn't want to pay $30/month for a personal project. (At my last job, I wrote something to rotate the passwords on our network equipment everyday. I just exec'd the 1password linux binary, and that was free. Why should I pay to integrate it with k8s?)

highwind 5y ago

I used to use 1Password when they just sold the application at a fixed price and I handle all the synchronization between machines. That option is no longer available. I'm one of the users who left because of this.

cj 5y ago
They used to offer synchronization via Dropbox. Is that still an option?
- RealityWinner 5y ago
  You can still sync via third party options but the entire desktop apps are view only if you don't pay for a subscription.
vmurthy 5y ago
Hmmm , I have a Mac and an iPhone and the fixed price application from circa 2015-16. They are still in sync via iCloud. I can see "Sync with Dropbox" and "Sync with WLAN server" in the settings. Did you mean any custom sync options that may have existed?

darylteo 5y ago

> Very weird to show it in the UI a I thought this is a common pattern for assessing user interest. If you don't display it users don't know it is available. Very common in A/B testing to show different variations of CTAs as well.

Dylan16807 5y ago

> They want money to sync my passwords between my Windows desktop and my iPhone. Seems reasonable to me. Money for service is fine, but this is a long term thing, and I'm not going to pay $180 per 5 years to keep 100KB in sync. And the software doesn't justify that price either.

BoorishBears 5y ago
I like how you had to word it in terms of 5 years just to make it sound substantial... It's 3 dollars a month. You could be conservative with tissue paper and make up the difference to your monthly budget... so how much cheaper can you get that cheaper than tissue paper and still expect the service to be around forever.
- Dylan16807 5y ago
  > I like how you had to word it in terms of 5 years just to make it sound substantial... Because I'm going to be using it for that long. > It's 3 dollars a month. For this single app. It's easy to justify $3 at a time, but suddenly you're paying a whole cable bill for marginal value. Decisions like this shouldn't be taken in complete isolation and rounded to zero. > and still expect the service to be around forever I don't want the service, just sell me the program. I could store my data in dropbox or microsoft or any email service or facebook. I could store it in S3 for 1 penny a month. I could pay 2/3 as much to get 100GB of space from google. The amount of money it takes to provide this service is completely disconnected from the cost, and the value I get is not from the service. The program is valuable, but I could buy a nice alternative program, avoid the pure-profit service, and buy myself something nice down the line. Maybe a higher tier GPU the next time I upgrade my computer. And I can only conserve so much tissue paper. One $3-per-month service could hold my data for thousands of apps. It's reasonable to ask me to have one such service. But I'm not paying once per app.
  - BoorishBears 5y ago
    > Because I'm going to be using it for that long. Cool, I'm planning to use it for a lifetime. The point is that you didn't just use the monthly number because it's extremely low as far as paid software subscriptions go... - And I don't do this: > Decisions like this shouldn't be taken in complete isolation and rounded to zero. So I don't end up worrying about: > For this single app. It's easy to justify $3 at a time, but suddenly you're paying a whole cable bill for marginal value. - > I don't want the service, just sell me the program. First off you literally just said: > Money for service is fine, but this is a long term thing, and I'm not going to pay $180 per 5 years to keep 100KB in sync. So clearly you want the service but feel it's too expensive... But secondly, software doesn't exist in a time bubble! Security updates, maintenance and support all exist and these are people trying to make a living while handling all that. It's super cool that you want to get their hard work in the most personally beneficial way, but they have this very reasonably priced service that lets the people have the software, and them have their livelihood. You can say "oh well I don't care about maintenance, I'll buy the new version if it's compatible with my OS", which again is super convenient for you... but once they hit plateaus in new users are they just supposed to pause development until old versions break? If the utility of the program was so low you wouldn't be asking them for it without the service after all... if it's "just storing 100kb of text" there's plenty of other options out there. 10 cents a day for something that saves a lot of stress is a great price.

phlakaton 5y ago

Not free that I was ever aware – it was a fixed-price app when I first got it – but you could store your vault on any network drive, and later Dropbox became the way to sync between mobile & desktop. But it was a bit tricky to set up with the extra auth & auth hassle and "now where did I put my vault?" issues. As much as I liked that approach, it's hard to deny the current cloud-based service is easier to get going with.