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These headlines are some of the weirdest backwards stories I’ve seen lately. It’s like everyone is desperate to make this into a crisis yet reality isn’t delive

• MattGaiser 5y ago
  So many stories are a lot less interesting in a long term context.
• eganist 5y ago
  > If eviction rates are “approaching pre-pandemic levels” then isn’t the real shocking headline that eviction rates are lower than before the pandemic despite the eviction moratorium? What am I missing? Home is the only shelter many people have from contracting COVID. Evicting people into situations such as homelessness and overcrowding, where infection is more rampant, is a great way to spike infection rates potentially more than both temporary shelter/housing systems as well as healthcare systems are prepared to handle. That's the concern with restoring evictions to pre-pandemic norms. There's not enough capacity in a reduced-crowding scenario such as the one we're currently in.
  • AnthonyMouse 5y ago
    Landlords don't generally evict people because they want their properties to be empty. Evicting a tenant and taking in a different one has no effect on the number of people with housing. If you actually want to reduce crowding, build more housing.
    • eganist 5y ago
      > Landlords don't evict people because they want their properties to be empty. Evicting a tenant and taking in a different one has no effect on the number of people with housing. I'm not sure where I made the impression that landlords want empty properties. They're evicting so that they can bring in paying tenants, but those tenants are often housed elsewhere anyway, not coming out of unhoused or underhoused groups. So the point stands: people who lost their means of paying are being evicted into the abyss in order to make room for people who never had a housing challenge.
      • AnthonyMouse 5y ago
        People getting evicted from a two bedroom apartment aren't going to a homeless shelter, they're going to a studio apartment that costs half as much. People getting evicted from a studio apartment aren't getting replaced by Jeff Bezos, they're getting replaced by someone else who can only afford a studio apartment and might have otherwise been homeless. Increasing the number of units on the market will tend to reduce rents and allow more people to afford housing.
        • eganist 5y ago
          > People getting evicted from a two bedroom apartment aren't going to a homeless shelter, they're going to a studio apartment that costs half as much. Why are we certain that a family getting evicted from a 2 bedroom apartment can afford a studio? They're getting evicted, presumably for nonpayment e.g arising from joblessness, which would suggest they're likewise also unable to pay for a studio. > People getting evicted from a studio apartment aren't getting replaced by Jeff Bezos, they're getting replaced by someone else who can only afford a studio apartment and might have otherwise been homeless. And where are the people getting evicted from a studio going? > Increasing the number of units on the market will tend to reduce rents and allow more people to afford housing. City/NIMBY bottlenecks are preventing this from happening, and though I agree with the premise, joblessness won't help when it comes to people looking for housing that needs payment.
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• HarryHirsch 5y ago
  You are missing that the pandemic is very much ongoing, despite the government pretending the opposite. At my institution, the semester is starting. We are serving the lower income bracket (read nursing school). Enrollment is down 20 %. This is going to have long-term consequences.
  • q1w2 5y ago
    The number of nurses that are willing to quit so they aren't required to get the vaccine is insane, and I think that might be what is driving the enrollment reduction.
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    • pavlov 5y ago
      > "The number of nurses that are willing to quit so they aren't required to get the vaccine is insane" Can you point to some data on this?
      • fknorangesite 5y ago
        Skimming through this[1], for example, it looks like ~1%, though it seems that in some cases they are counting "medical workers" not just nurses. [1]https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/workforce/vaccination-requirements-spur-employee-terminations-resignations-numbers-from-6-health-systems.html https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/workforce/vaccination-...
        • beerandt 5y ago
          That's fired, not quit.
      • mardifoufs 5y ago
        Just as a data point, the Québec government went to extensive lengths to get all nurses to vaccinate. They set a hard dead line for them to do so or else get fired. Seeing that a huge number of them would quit, they tried sweetening the deal with a 15 000$ cash payment if they stayed after the deadline (meaning, they'd have to vaccinate) and a lot of other perks. Yet, the government had to backdown right before the deadline because they literally could not see how the system wouldn't collapse with how many nurses would still be unvaxxed and thus have to be fired. And that's a government that really likes to show how "tough on covid" it is in a very very vaxxed province where you need a vaccine passport for pretty much everything now.
• JacobThreeThree 5y ago
  Well said. It's totally expected that evictions would increase when they're no longer banned.
  • core-utility 5y ago
    Agreed, I would have expected some sort of a backlog that landlords were looking to clear, since evictions were banned for almost 2 years.
• 1121redblackgo 5y ago
  Yeah it is interesting. Change the word 'soar' to 'rise' and the article takes on a much different tone
• tjr225 5y ago
  I've been thinking about this a lot lately. The current state of things appears to be that internet and media/ad revenue AI machine seem to have come together to put us in an sort of shepard tone of fear and impending doom. Pandemic, war, inflation, division, shortages, crypto, every storm has a name, everything is record breaking. I have more to be grateful for than I've ever had before, in spite of all of this somehow- but I can see the inequality growing around me. To me it seems like chaos has gone "viral." I don't know when or how it ends and we come out better for it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzNzgsAE4F0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BzNzgsAE4F0
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  • perihelions 5y ago
    Simply abolish advertising and everything should revert to normalcy. Most of these humanity-corroding AI's were built to link eyeball attention to ad clicks; they won't exist in a world without ads. It's likely I'm wrong about this, but it's still worth trying this experiment. The potential upsides are too great to leave on the table.
    • lamontcg 5y ago
      Yeah I'd like to see a ban on intrusive advertising, so that (for example) to see advertisements I'd have to go to specific websites when i was actually looking for something I'd like to purchase. End direct mail advertisements completely, end e-mail spam. We'd also probably be a politer and less defensive society if we weren't bombarded with constant arguments demanding we spend money on crap.
  • taftster 5y ago
    I wish I had something insightful to say, but this is so spot on. You have put to words something that I have been struggling finding words for. I wish we could all "see" this issue and somehow get out of the weird algorithms that are plaguing our society. I think that's why I like Hacker News right now. Among other reasons, out of any news sources, the comments here continue to be mostly grounded and reasonable, not hyperbolic and dramatic.
• bserge 5y ago
• function_seven 5y ago
  Indeed. This is like an article screeching that daytime temperatures have plummeted from 6 months ago, and are "approaching pre-summer levels in certain areas" If a moratorium was placed on evictions, it was an obvious fact that once the moratorium were lifted, evictions would rise again. It would be unbelievably weird if that didn't happen, and the fact that they haven't rebounded (yet) to levels above "normal" is the real news here, right?
• cdcarter 5y ago
  If you believe that people should NOT be evicted for non-payment, that housing is a human right, and that our social safety net should be strong enough to support these people in need, then its obvious this is a crisis.
  • s1artibartfast 5y ago
    Even then, crisis is hyperbolic, given evictions have been standard practice for centuries. Crisis: An unstable or crucial time or state of affairs in which a decisive change is impending especially : one with the distinct possibility of a highly undesirable outcome. Assuming housing is a human right, which I disagree with, surely people are not entitled to any house of their choosing. You would have to separate those forced to downsize from those actually leading to homelessness.
• georgeecollins 5y ago
  I also see that in these "everyone is leaving California" stories. It's not that I really care whether people are coming or going, but there is a part of the media that seems to bring the hate. The main change of the last two years has been less immigration, not more people leaving (there are always lots of people leaving), but you never hear that. Sometimes it feels like they are trying to tell the story people want to hear.
  • throwaway1777 5y ago
    Correct take. California has almost always been driven by immigration going all the way back to the gold rush.
• tehwebguy 5y ago
  > What am I missing? - Not all evictions were covered by the federal ban, or any applicable local bans - Most people likely did not actually go through the eviction process (most people want / try to pay their bills; most would avoid a life where a landlord is constantly hounding them for unpaid rent; its greatly preferable for a tenant to avoid the mark by almost any means; can be expensive for landlords; some landlords still do illegal “self-help” evictions like lockouts or making tenancy unlivable) - If the evictions don’t actually “soar” beyond pre-pandemic levels I’d assume it indicates the number of tenants abusing (or even rightly using) the moratoriums was lower than the stakeholders have been making it out to be - There have been programs running simultaneously to provide rental relief across the country to make payments to landlords
  • throwaway1777 5y ago
    As a small scale landlord I haven’t had a single tenant abuse the moratorium. I believe another factor is rents have been on the rise, so if you do get evicted good luck finding a similar place.
    • joshspankit 5y ago
      I would not have been mad (as in “I’m not even mad, that’s impressive” to paraphrase the quote) if someone abused the moratorium to put every month’s rent in the bank and move out with enough cash for a down payment on their own property.
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