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I made the same argument below but I was downvoted to hell. Bitwarden is not an alternative to 1Password that passes the wife/parent/elder test because the UX

by Sytten 5y ago

I made the same argument below but I was downvoted to hell. Bitwarden is not an alternative to 1Password that passes the wife/parent/elder test because the UX is so bad they need to call me everytime something isnt exactly working as before.

api 5y ago
You were downvoted to hell because nerds continue to refuse to understand this. At this point it's flat out denialism. This refusal to understand UI/UX goes way way back in hacker culture: http://catb.org/jargon/html/P/point-and-drool-interface.html http://catb.org/jargon/html/P/point-and-drool-interface.html This seems to be a general characteristic of enthusiasts. To design a good car for people other than car enthusiasts, you have to hate cars or at least be able to place oneself in the shoes of someone who hates cars. People who don't love cars want a car that makes them think about cars as little as possible. The purpose of a car is to carry you from one point to another, not to make you spend time on cars.
- Gracana 5y ago
  Maybe name-calling and suggesting they should be mutilated isn't enough. What's your next step?
  - api 5y ago
    There isn't one. I will continue to say this, people will continue to ignore it, and the computing ecosystem for the average person will continue to be locked down by corporations that do not ignore it. Free, open, and privacy respecting technology will remain irrelevant outside enthusiast techie circles. It's a bit like climate change. Scientists will warn, people will ignore, and then we will abandon Miami and will probably blame the scientists.
  - mjmsmith 5y ago
    Having "tattooed on their forehead is a metaphor" tattooed on their forehead?
    - Gracana 5y ago
      Excellent, problem solved. I was thinking somebody would have to contribute UI changes to an open source project, but it turns out flaming people on the internet is much easier.
- ericd 5y ago
  Maybe it’s because Bitwarden’s UX is actually quite good? I found 1password’s to be substantially worse when I tried it a few years ago, especially on non-Apple devices. Perhaps that’s changed, but for something so heavily touted for being well designed, I found it to be very disappointing.
  - RHSeeger 5y ago
    That's my thought, too. What about BitWarden's UI do people not like? It's simple to use and clear what everything does.
- abletonlive 5y ago
  I can't stand nerds that fundamentally can't learn this nuance. It's like the biggest blind spot ever. There are just so many of them in the tech industry working as software engineers, which is why we have powerful tools that are a pain in the ass to use. It makes me hate software engineers, and I am one.
cyberpunk 5y ago
Really? I mean, I have 1password for work, and Bitwarden for personal.. Spot the difference: https://imgur.com/a/wJQBDjV https://imgur.com/a/wJQBDjV
- Saris 5y ago
  A few things come to mind (I use bitwarden myself). - "Folder: No Folder" is a bit confusing, it would be better to just require a folder when creating an entry. - Collections vs folders is also a little confusing unless you spend time to figure it out. - 1password shows the password reuse notice right there, instead of needing to go the web vault of bitwarden and specifically click on tools. - 1password shows the password strength right in the entry as well. - 1password has nicer display of the items in the vault, with sections by letter.
DangitBobby 5y ago
Really? I use both (Bitwarden for personal, 1Password for work) and find the UI for Bitwarden to be more complete and consistent. Like if I want to edit a login item, I must open a new browser tab in 1Password. Not so in Bitwarden. I still can't figure out how to consistently trigger the workflow to add a new login for the current website automatically without opening a new tab in 1Password. You click "Add Login" in Bitwarden.
- desmondl 5y ago
  Agreed, I used lastpass in 2016 and tried to switch to keepass. I'm more than technical enough to use keypass and sync a vault across all my devices, but I needed this to be as easy as possible. I know myself enough to understand if something doesn't feel as easy as humanly possible, I'm much less likely to use it. A decent chunk of people are not like this, which is why I believe there is this huge debate over "Keepass vs 1Password". But anyway, I switched to bitwarden and the UX was more than good enough for me. It "just works". I even started self hosting it this year and it continues to "just work" - although I don't recommend it to most people since I now have to manage a server. I was already self hosting a lot of other things last year (wanted to move away from google/apple services) so the "cost" of self hosting Bitwarden was negligible. Anyway I know I rambled a lot, but just wanted to chime in and throw in my opinion about bitwarden
kerng 5y ago
Unfortunately true. I really hope that Bitwarden improves their UI and UX, because I really want to like it. But their Collections and sharing feature is very unclear, especially once multiple people/orgs are involved. I'm afraid to use it because they co-mingle everything in UI and I dont accidently want to share a personal password with another org. Being worried of sharing a password accidently is very scary UX

by Sytten 5y ago

api 5y ago

You were downvoted to hell because nerds continue to refuse to understand this. At this point it's flat out denialism. This refusal to understand UI/UX goes way way back in hacker culture: http://catb.org/jargon/html/P/point-and-drool-interface.html http://catb.org/jargon/html/P/point-and-drool-interface.html This seems to be a general characteristic of enthusiasts. To design a good car for people other than car enthusiasts, you have to hate cars or at least be able to place oneself in the shoes of someone who hates cars. People who don't love cars want a car that makes them think about cars as little as possible. The purpose of a car is to carry you from one point to another, not to make you spend time on cars.

Gracana 5y ago
Maybe name-calling and suggesting they should be mutilated isn't enough. What's your next step?
- api 5y ago
  There isn't one. I will continue to say this, people will continue to ignore it, and the computing ecosystem for the average person will continue to be locked down by corporations that do not ignore it. Free, open, and privacy respecting technology will remain irrelevant outside enthusiast techie circles. It's a bit like climate change. Scientists will warn, people will ignore, and then we will abandon Miami and will probably blame the scientists.
- mjmsmith 5y ago
  Having "tattooed on their forehead is a metaphor" tattooed on their forehead?
  - Gracana 5y ago
    Excellent, problem solved. I was thinking somebody would have to contribute UI changes to an open source project, but it turns out flaming people on the internet is much easier.
ericd 5y ago
Maybe it’s because Bitwarden’s UX is actually quite good? I found 1password’s to be substantially worse when I tried it a few years ago, especially on non-Apple devices. Perhaps that’s changed, but for something so heavily touted for being well designed, I found it to be very disappointing.
- RHSeeger 5y ago
  That's my thought, too. What about BitWarden's UI do people not like? It's simple to use and clear what everything does.
abletonlive 5y ago
I can't stand nerds that fundamentally can't learn this nuance. It's like the biggest blind spot ever. There are just so many of them in the tech industry working as software engineers, which is why we have powerful tools that are a pain in the ass to use. It makes me hate software engineers, and I am one.

cyberpunk 5y ago

Really? I mean, I have 1password for work, and Bitwarden for personal.. Spot the difference: https://imgur.com/a/wJQBDjV https://imgur.com/a/wJQBDjV

Saris 5y ago
A few things come to mind (I use bitwarden myself). - "Folder: No Folder" is a bit confusing, it would be better to just require a folder when creating an entry. - Collections vs folders is also a little confusing unless you spend time to figure it out. - 1password shows the password reuse notice right there, instead of needing to go the web vault of bitwarden and specifically click on tools. - 1password shows the password strength right in the entry as well. - 1password has nicer display of the items in the vault, with sections by letter.

DangitBobby 5y ago

Really? I use both (Bitwarden for personal, 1Password for work) and find the UI for Bitwarden to be more complete and consistent. Like if I want to edit a login item, I must open a new browser tab in 1Password. Not so in Bitwarden. I still can't figure out how to consistently trigger the workflow to add a new login for the current website automatically without opening a new tab in 1Password. You click "Add Login" in Bitwarden.

desmondl 5y ago
Agreed, I used lastpass in 2016 and tried to switch to keepass. I'm more than technical enough to use keypass and sync a vault across all my devices, but I needed this to be as easy as possible. I know myself enough to understand if something doesn't feel as easy as humanly possible, I'm much less likely to use it. A decent chunk of people are not like this, which is why I believe there is this huge debate over "Keepass vs 1Password". But anyway, I switched to bitwarden and the UX was more than good enough for me. It "just works". I even started self hosting it this year and it continues to "just work" - although I don't recommend it to most people since I now have to manage a server. I was already self hosting a lot of other things last year (wanted to move away from google/apple services) so the "cost" of self hosting Bitwarden was negligible. Anyway I know I rambled a lot, but just wanted to chime in and throw in my opinion about bitwarden

kerng 5y ago

Unfortunately true. I really hope that Bitwarden improves their UI and UX, because I really want to like it. But their Collections and sharing feature is very unclear, especially once multiple people/orgs are involved. I'm afraid to use it because they co-mingle everything in UI and I dont accidently want to share a personal password with another org. Being worried of sharing a password accidently is very scary UX