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Considering Australias stance on encryption and just about everything else tech related, I don’t see this as reflecting negatively on Meta.

by atty 5y ago

thehappypm 5y ago
This is a good point. Government is always in a battle between good and evil: protecting citizens from evil corps (food safety), and actually being evil (i.e. backdoors on encryption).
- dylan604 5y ago
  > Government is always in a battle between good and evil: Is it? It seems to me gov't is about enriching those that have found themselves in positions of gov't office and their cronnies. Long ago has gov't no longer been concerned with the well being of its citizens.
  - edmundsauto 5y ago
    I think you’ll find a lot of very dedicated, well meaning people in government service. Especially at the local level. You have to actually talk to them and get to know them, of course, before you can judge their intentions. If you instead base your opinion off the attention whores you see/hear in media, then yeah you’re going to be distrustful. That’s because those people optimize for being in the news. They are a small fraction of the political world.
    - leppr 5y ago
      I base my opinion on the policies that come out of governments, not communications.
      - edmundsauto 5y ago
        This is an example of resulting, where you look at the outcome and not a process. I personally believe it’s an ineffective way to understand the reality of a situation, but each to their own.
    - dylan604 5y ago
      I could have been more specific by saying elected officials. These are the people whoring themselves out, and I'd assume those working closely with them. The rest of the staff are probably there on the hopes they might parlay the experience into their own candidacy one day, but I do know there are people that are "answering the call" of public service. Sadly, they don't have enough of a voice to sway. There's also the non-political gov't employees that do the actual work. There's plenty of stereotypes about them too, but for the most part, I'd agree they're just people with a job living their life.
      - edmundsauto 5y ago
        I’m genuinely curious - what makes you think the typical politician is whoring themselves out and should not be evaluated as if acting in good faith? I totally agree for the politicians who we frequently see in the media, like Ted Cruz. But that’s such a small, non-random selection that I hesitate to generalize. What makes you feel comfortable in making such a generalization?
  - hazza_n_dazza 5y ago
    I would say that 'citizens' are one of the concerns of au gov
stephen_g 5y ago
Please - not “Australia’s stance”, the “Australian Government’s stance”. Hopefully in less than six months the party in Government will be different, and things will be at least slightly better.
- Rexxar 5y ago
  If they want again non-nuclear submarines in six months, I know people who would be happy to build some for them.
- tjpnz 5y ago
  Not an Australian but I've observed Aussie politicians of all shades making the same stupid arguments on encryption for more than a decade, perhaps closer to two. I don't think this can be solved by voting Labor in lest they be given some lessons on elementary mathematics and data security.
- bogantech 5y ago
  Labor has not opposed any of the f'ed up stuff so far so even if Albo wins it'll be more of the same.
  - rainonmoon 5y ago
    Our only hope at this point is a hung parliament that can wedge the parties on progressive issues. I won't mention any particular parties to avoid inflaming the conversation, but I'd strongly advise all Australians look at the parties' track records and policies on surveillance, and particularly whether they're willing to consult with orgs like Digital Rights Watch in forming legislation.
    - danuker 5y ago
      I particularly like The Juice Media from Australia to keep track of Oz politics. In spite of me living in Romania, I love their Honest Government Ads. Honest Government Ad | Hung Parliament - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnzaiYrvvrw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnzaiYrvvrw
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Considering Australias stance on encryption and just about everything else tech related, I don’t see this as reflecting negatively on Meta.

by atty 5y ago

Considering Australias stance on encryption and just about everything else tech related, I don’t see this as reflecting negatively on Meta.

thehappypm 5y ago

This is a good point. Government is always in a battle between good and evil: protecting citizens from evil corps (food safety), and actually being evil (i.e. backdoors on encryption).

dylan604 5y ago
> Government is always in a battle between good and evil: Is it? It seems to me gov't is about enriching those that have found themselves in positions of gov't office and their cronnies. Long ago has gov't no longer been concerned with the well being of its citizens.
- edmundsauto 5y ago
  I think you’ll find a lot of very dedicated, well meaning people in government service. Especially at the local level. You have to actually talk to them and get to know them, of course, before you can judge their intentions. If you instead base your opinion off the attention whores you see/hear in media, then yeah you’re going to be distrustful. That’s because those people optimize for being in the news. They are a small fraction of the political world.
  - leppr 5y ago
    I base my opinion on the policies that come out of governments, not communications.
    - edmundsauto 5y ago
      This is an example of resulting, where you look at the outcome and not a process. I personally believe it’s an ineffective way to understand the reality of a situation, but each to their own.
  - dylan604 5y ago
    I could have been more specific by saying elected officials. These are the people whoring themselves out, and I'd assume those working closely with them. The rest of the staff are probably there on the hopes they might parlay the experience into their own candidacy one day, but I do know there are people that are "answering the call" of public service. Sadly, they don't have enough of a voice to sway. There's also the non-political gov't employees that do the actual work. There's plenty of stereotypes about them too, but for the most part, I'd agree they're just people with a job living their life.
    - edmundsauto 5y ago
      I’m genuinely curious - what makes you think the typical politician is whoring themselves out and should not be evaluated as if acting in good faith? I totally agree for the politicians who we frequently see in the media, like Ted Cruz. But that’s such a small, non-random selection that I hesitate to generalize. What makes you feel comfortable in making such a generalization?
- hazza_n_dazza 5y ago
  I would say that 'citizens' are one of the concerns of au gov

stephen_g 5y ago

Please - not “Australia’s stance”, the “Australian Government’s stance”. Hopefully in less than six months the party in Government will be different, and things will be at least slightly better.

Rexxar 5y ago
If they want again non-nuclear submarines in six months, I know people who would be happy to build some for them.
tjpnz 5y ago
Not an Australian but I've observed Aussie politicians of all shades making the same stupid arguments on encryption for more than a decade, perhaps closer to two. I don't think this can be solved by voting Labor in lest they be given some lessons on elementary mathematics and data security.
bogantech 5y ago
Labor has not opposed any of the f'ed up stuff so far so even if Albo wins it'll be more of the same.
- rainonmoon 5y ago
  Our only hope at this point is a hung parliament that can wedge the parties on progressive issues. I won't mention any particular parties to avoid inflaming the conversation, but I'd strongly advise all Australians look at the parties' track records and policies on surveillance, and particularly whether they're willing to consult with orgs like Digital Rights Watch in forming legislation.
  - danuker 5y ago
    I particularly like The Juice Media from Australia to keep track of Oz politics. In spite of me living in Romania, I love their Honest Government Ads. Honest Government Ad | Hung Parliament - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnzaiYrvvrw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnzaiYrvvrw

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